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I can't believe anyone can dislike Reason to Believe enough to put it last.  There are multiple songs on that album that are better than entire albums.  
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Originally posted by marvthezombie marvthezombie wrote:

Originally posted by thedude15 thedude15 wrote:

I don't agree with Fletcher that they were moving in a less aggressive direction in the last few years of Jim's time in the band - Reason to Believe (for the most part) keeps their same aggression and sound, although All or Nothing is different from Reason to Believe in that the lyrics are way more positive.

Hang on there, champ--Reason to Believe totally dropped the aggression of their earlier material. It was heavier and significantly slower, to the point where it was dragging it's knuckles on the ground as it jogged. All Or Nothing is WAY faster, and still better, for that matter, but both still pale in comparison to the first five albums.

You have a good point if you look at some songs on Reason to Believe, such as We'll Never Know, Confusion, and Die For You which are slower. In my opinion some songs on that album like All We Need and You Get the Life You Choose still keep to their old school sound. 
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Originally posted by vampailleur vampailleur wrote:

Originally posted by oldmrfletcher oldmrfletcher wrote:

the fuse?! yikes. 18 soldiers is the worst song pw has made...by far

Didn't you pass by here today?

Anyway, I think reason to believe is better than the Fuse but slower.

Playing faster does not make an album good or vice versa, the quality of the songs matters the most. There are some songs that get bette or worse if they're played faster or slower, but in general I think that songs are made to be played at a certain tempo.

I agree - One Reason is slower by Pennywise standards, though its one of the heaviest songs they've written.
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Originally posted by LV97 LV97 wrote:

And, anyone noticed that Pennywise now has two songs named "Tomorrow" ?

I think their first song called "Tomorrow" was released in 1995, and Jason played bass on it. It was recorded either slightly before or slightly after About Time, and was released on the same 7" as "Don't Feel Nothing" (also a great song). I like "Tomorrow" which was on All or Nothing better than their first song called tomorrow. Here's a link to their original song called tomorrow:



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It was realeased in 1995 as you say, on Theologian Records (the band's label before Epitaph), and also on a Theologian Records compilation (with "Don't Feel Nothing" and a cover of "Gimme Gimme" or something like that). But actually, it sounds like it had been recorded between Wilcard/A word from the wise and the self titled album.
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Originally posted by LV97 LV97 wrote:

And, anyone noticed that Pennywise now has two songs named "Tomorrow" ?
From a website/archive/database point of view... I soooo hope Bad Religion won't do anything like this. Don't even think about it, Jay!
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Well, you just shouldn't use song titles as primary key and everything should be fine ;-)
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Originally posted by thedude15 thedude15 wrote:

Originally posted by marvthezombie marvthezombie wrote:

Originally posted by thedude15 thedude15 wrote:

I don't agree with Fletcher that they were moving in a less aggressive direction in the last few years of Jim's time in the band - Reason to Believe (for the most part) keeps their same aggression and sound, although All or Nothing is different from Reason to Believe in that the lyrics are way more positive.

Hang on there, champ--Reason to Believe totally dropped the aggression of their earlier material. It was heavier and significantly slower, to the point where it was dragging it's knuckles on the ground as it jogged. All Or Nothing is WAY faster, and still better, for that matter, but both still pale in comparison to the first five albums.

You have a good point if you look at some songs on Reason to Believe, such as We'll Never Know, Confusion, and Die For You which are slower. In my opinion some songs on that album like All We Need and You Get the Life You Choose still keep to their old school sound. 

you get the life you choose is my all time pw favorite, and well never know and all we need are great too
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Originally posted by oldmrfletcher oldmrfletcher wrote:

Originally posted by thedude15 thedude15 wrote:

Originally posted by marvthezombie marvthezombie wrote:

Originally posted by thedude15 thedude15 wrote:

I don't agree with Fletcher that they were moving in a less aggressive direction in the last few years of Jim's time in the band - Reason to Believe (for the most part) keeps their same aggression and sound, although All or Nothing is different from Reason to Believe in that the lyrics are way more positive.

Hang on there, champ--Reason to Believe totally dropped the aggression of their earlier material. It was heavier and significantly slower, to the point where it was dragging it's knuckles on the ground as it jogged. All Or Nothing is WAY faster, and still better, for that matter, but both still pale in comparison to the first five albums.

You have a good point if you look at some songs on Reason to Believe, such as We'll Never Know, Confusion, and Die For You which are slower. In my opinion some songs on that album like All We Need and You Get the Life You Choose still keep to their old school sound. 

you get the life you choose is my all time pw favorite, and well never know and all we need are great too


Something to Live For destroys everything on that album.
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I also like Bad Religion's song called Tomorrow. And I think its great that there's a lot of Pennywise fans on this forum who know their discography well so that we can debate and discuss their music; whenever I've made a thread about Pennywise on the absolutepunk.net forum a lot of people say that they don't like Pennywise.
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