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kyana ![]() Lost Pilgrim ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/29/2010 Location: EU, Poland Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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To me, Infected sounded amazing. I'm so happy they have decided to gig on RR. Dawkins and BR in one place, just like a dream. Unfortunately, I was in Poland, preparing for my exams.
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So on stage we have: UCLA professor, the head of a record label, 2 legendary guitarists, 1 very cool and kind bass player, one of the best drummers. I think that explains why they kick so much ass.
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SayYourPrayers ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() Thread Revivalist Joined: 07/23/2011 Location: Portland Status: Offline Points: 1391 |
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I think it's fair to say that religion doesn't deserve the reverence it's given, but I think Dawkins is too vague with his message when it comes to challenging people on their religious beliefs. Frankly, I see no reason to even slightly challenege someone who holds religious beliefs, so long as they do not attempt force their opinions on others. I do not give anyone a hard time for liking rap, for example. If you like it, that's your deal. But if you try telling me that it's better than another genre, or tell me I'm stupid for not liking it, then I definetly will give you an ear full. Beliefs don't really need to be challenged until they begin to have a negative effect on others.
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Careful man, there's a beverage here!
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BringBRTotheUK ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() demonomaniac Joined: 05/21/2010 Status: Offline Points: 1453 |
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@Frod
I did not know that you are a Christian - I always thought the religious fans of BR that Greg talks about were imaginary. Thanks for writing out that review, it made a good read, though I can't stand Tim Minchin. Regarding Dawkins' speech that I watched on the stream in my dry house: I hasten to agree with any criticisms. I like to watch Dawkins debate half baked religious arguments, and I really enjoyed his selfish gene book (he pretty much got me interested in science). However, I think he turned me into a bit of a fundamentalist on the matter of religion. It is easy to forget that their are some thoughtful religious people out there, and that even the thoughtless ones deserve more respect than Richard Dawkins' speech might suggest. I personally agree with Richard Dawkins on a lot of the things he says on religion, though I don't agree with the vilification that he appeared to frontier on that rainy Saturday. I think there is a thin line between defence and offence that the atheist community should try to steer clear of. A slightly clearer video of Greg's national anthem singing^ Edited by BringBRTotheUK - 03/27/2012 at 13:12 |
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patricke1660 ![]() Man With A Mission ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/07/2010 Location: Near Graffin Status: Offline Points: 824 |
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Read this article the other day, and it made dislike Silverman quite a bit. I'm definitely not Christian, but as SYP says above, there is no point in directing so much hatred and/or ridicule towards them for their beliefs.
That said, I'm a huge believer in separation of church and state. No religious groups (including aetheists) should attempt to dominate public policy to enforce their ideals on others.
I don't really know since I wasn't there, but from an outside perspective, it seems a shame that this rally wasn't better focused. We really do need some "reason" in this country. I'm not sure this event did anything to improve anything.
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Human beings are the only creatures on earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one.
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frod79 ![]() Generator ![]() ![]() Frod Almighty Joined: 10/21/2010 Location: OlivGardenState Status: Online Points: 3661 |
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i'm offended the writer of this blog/article couldnt spell Paterson NJ right!
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"Some claim there was no great shoeman in the sky, others say the answer won't be known until the other shoe drops" - Al Bundy
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Robo Pilgrim ![]() Generator ![]() ![]() linkage robot Joined: 11/10/2008 Location: the moon Status: Offline Points: 4235 |
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My only real problem with the rally is that it perpetuated the idea that secularism = atheism when it should be neither theistic nor atheistic. As for challenging people's beliefs, I respect their right to beliefs even if I can't respect the belief itself. And while I don't like to be confrontational I do think we should be allowed to voice negative or critical opinions on them.
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Go on take a swig of that poison and like it
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SayYourPrayers ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() Thread Revivalist Joined: 07/23/2011 Location: Portland Status: Offline Points: 1391 |
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As for being "allowed to voice negative or critical opinions" on religious beliefs, that's perfectly fine, but what purpose would that serve? I can't think of many scenarios in which someone would be inclined to change their beliefs on something simply because others voiced criticism of those beliefs. Usually that causes stubbornness and resentment.
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Careful man, there's a beverage here!
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BRP ![]() Man With A Mission ![]() ![]() Joined: 04/06/2009 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 824 |
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Viktor ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() Joined: 12/10/2008 Status: Offline Points: 1078 |
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Cool photo guys
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They said that islands were solid as bedrock standing firm forevermore, but over time even basement wastes away to the unrelenting shore
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Robo Pilgrim ![]() Generator ![]() ![]() linkage robot Joined: 11/10/2008 Location: the moon Status: Offline Points: 4235 |
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I don't think challenging a person's beliefs should necessarily make them change, but it's good to make them think and see things from a different perspective. And there have been plenty of instances where people have left their religion because they read or heard something debunking it, though it does result in stubbornness as well. |
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Go on take a swig of that poison and like it
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SayYourPrayers ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() Thread Revivalist Joined: 07/23/2011 Location: Portland Status: Offline Points: 1391 |
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golden ![]() Blenderhead ![]() Joined: 10/02/2010 Location: Buffalo, NY Status: Offline Points: 90 |
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With such a good looking crew like this assembled, I don't know how anyone could say' "There is no God".
![]() Hope you all had a good time... Edited by golden - 03/28/2012 at 19:16 |
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simian ![]() Infected ![]() ![]() Avatar Nauseam Joined: 11/20/2008 Location: Baltimore, MD Status: Offline Points: 1566 |
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I'm the one not in the picture :)
Edit: until Torbar photoshops my goggles head on there someplace. Edited by simian - 03/28/2012 at 21:30 |
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“As stupid and vicious as men are, this is a lovely day.”
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kariscene ![]() Man With A Mission ![]() ![]() Ultimate Brett Fangirl Joined: 03/20/2010 Location: Impure Michigan Status: Offline Points: 872 |
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Idk guys, this rally looked way more "fun"
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Give us this day our daily Brett. http://fuckyeahbrettgurewitz.tumblr.com/
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SayYourPrayers ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() Thread Revivalist Joined: 07/23/2011 Location: Portland Status: Offline Points: 1391 |
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golden ![]() Blenderhead ![]() Joined: 10/02/2010 Location: Buffalo, NY Status: Offline Points: 90 |
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Music is about sound... The lyrics that go with the music may be very important. But bands like the Ramones showed that you can be a powerful influence on music, without ever writing a meaningful lyric.
That being said, the lyrics that Greg and Brett write are often not black & white and many can be interpreted in different ways. What may be clear to you, may mean something totally different to someone else. Although Greg's lyrics especially, have many times been clearly pointed at the belief in God, or the institution of religion, to me, it hardly defines all that he and the band has to offer. I always thought it was strange that someone would think that everyone who liked Bad Religion was an atheist . Edited by golden - 03/29/2012 at 15:18 |
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SayYourPrayers ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() Thread Revivalist Joined: 07/23/2011 Location: Portland Status: Offline Points: 1391 |
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I certainly don't suggest that Bad Religion tries to convert people to atheism, but I do believe that their message eventually winds up at the conclussion that belief in gods or acceptance of religion can only be considered a choice. I think for people who really listen to their music with an open mind, religion (if not the very idea of god itself) is a very difficult thing to give credence to. No, of course not all fans of the band are or should be atheist, but I don't think it a stretch to assume a large amount have some measure of doubt regarding issues of god and religion.
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BringBRTotheUK ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() demonomaniac Joined: 05/21/2010 Status: Offline Points: 1453 |
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No matter how much Greg tries to turn the cross buster into something benign with fun 'no parking' analogies, it will always remain immediately offensive to Christians and most likely a deterrent. If I started a band called 'No Blacks', no matter how intelligent my lyrics turned out to be I would always end up alienating a majority of people before the word go. P.S. I know that 'no blacks' and 'no christianity' probably shouldn't be conflated but I can't be bothered to re write my analogy. |
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I liked the guy with the unicorn T-shirt.
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Go on take a swig of that poison and like it
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SayYourPrayers ![]() Billy Gnosis ![]() ![]() Thread Revivalist Joined: 07/23/2011 Location: Portland Status: Offline Points: 1391 |
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