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    Posted: 05/11/2012 at 13:40
Correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Obama's position that gay marriage is not a federal issue but one that should be left up to the states? And doesn't that also mean that he actually backs this ruling from North Carolina?

I have been amazed at how much attention this statement from Obama has gotten: it was even on the news over here in England! From what I understand, his position is the same as every president before him. Or have I misinterpreted something?
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He's pro gay marriage, so even if he recognises North Carolina's right to make the decision they did it doesn't mean he agrees with it.
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There's also a difference between personal opinion and a statement of policy.  Stating a personal opinion doesn't have any effect on policy, but it can change how voters think of you, and if they support you or not. 

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Nice to see him "evolve" to the position the "evil tyrant" Dick Cheney's held for years.

All about the money. If he actually gave even the slightest crap about the issue, he would have said something before the amendment was voted on. Lip service, distractionary douchery. Par for the course.


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Originally posted by BringBRTotheUK BringBRTotheUK wrote:

Correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Obama's position that gay marriage is not a federal issue but one that should be left up to the states? And doesn't that also mean that he actually backs this ruling from North Carolina?

I have been amazed at how much attention this statement from Obama has gotten: it was even on the news over here in England! From what I understand, his position is the same as every president before him. Or have I misinterpreted something?
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I personally think it should be up to the federal government...the same way the federal government won't allow southern states to discriminate against other races. There are certain human rights that no state alone should be allowed to dictate. 
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10th Amendment.

Federal government should only be involved in things states can't handle themselves. Like foreign policy, making/ratifying treaties, etc.

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I don't really care about Amendments.....I care about what is right and what is logical. 
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While his position may not actually come to influence policy, I give him credit for at least having the frame of mind to state his position. People ought to divorce his status from his opinion. Why? Because he's a fucking human being, first and foremost. Obama hasn't caused the downfall of the U.S. by making his opinion known. This government is so flawed that the blame for its dysfunction doesn't rest with any one person. There's such a rush to bash Obama, or any president for that matter, as the sole influence behind a government which typically fails its people. It's such a let down to realize that so many people (even people on here) will damn any position in government on principle.
 
Who gives a flying fuck what motivated Obama's opinion? At least there's another supporter of human dignity and fundamental right to happiness out there.
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Originally posted by frod79 frod79 wrote:

Originally posted by BringBRTotheUK BringBRTotheUK wrote:

Correct me if I am mistaken, but isn't Obama's position that gay marriage is not a federal issue but one that should be left up to the states? And doesn't that also mean that he actually backs this ruling from North Carolina?

I have been amazed at how much attention this statement from Obama has gotten: it was even on the news over here in England! From what I understand, his position is the same as every president before him. Or have I misinterpreted something?
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Well here in Finland it was news (not sure if it was mentioned in TV, but at least on newspapers) because Obama was the first president of the United States to publicly support gay marriage. I think that's newsworthy, even if it doesn't effectively change anything right now. He's the most powerful man in the world and even though his opinions won't change actual laws per se they can and surely will affect the ongoing discussions regardless of the topic. 
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Originally posted by TheMatrix31 TheMatrix31 wrote:

10th Amendment.

Federal government should only be involved in things states can't handle themselves. Like foreign policy, making/ratifying treaties, etc.

I wonder if I'm the only conservative Bad Religion fan ever.
 
You're not, I'm mostly conservative.  I remember when Obama said he wouldn't use federal resources to interfere with state medical marijuana legislation...
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