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Originally posted by coop coop wrote:

Gray race

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I don't know, somehow it sounds not so "tighly packed" as some other albums. There seems to be air between the things. You know. Space for your imagination to roam.
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Originally posted by coop coop wrote:

Originally posted by Harbortown Harbortown wrote:


Originally posted by coop coop wrote:

Gray race

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I don't know, somehow it sounds not so "tighly packed" as some other albums. There seems to be air between the things. You know. Space for your imagination to roam.

Yes! This! You explained my feelings about it so well. 
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I agree! TGR was always one of my favourite sounding BR albums. It’s very bright sounding, which I feel suits BR better than the production of STF. STF always felt too grungy to me for a Bad Religion album. I feel TGR is the best sounding of the Atlantic albums by far.

All-in-all my favourite sounding albums would be NC, ATG, TGR , TPOB and TSEF. I really hate the production of the last three albums, I can’t listen to them for more than five minutes....just brutal on the ears.
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I just realized that I don't even know who produced the new record. The previous 3 were produced by Baressi.

According to Wikipedia the new one is produced by Carlos de la Garza. Normally another producer should shake things up a bit and makes things interesting (think The Gray Race).. but the songs so far sound pretty much like True North.
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I think The Gray Race and No Substance sound good. Albeit in a more compressed, rock way. Some of that is Baker, but a lot of it is production. Honestly of the newer (yeah I'm getting old) albums, TPOB has my least favorite production. Great songs, but the guitars are a little too low in the mix and the vocals too high in the mix for me. TESF is interesting and different. From New Maps to True North they all sound the same. 
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Dissent sounds good too.
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1) No Control (by several miles)
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1. The Grey Race: pristine silky smooth clarity,
2. Recipe for Hate: lots of clarity between instruments,
3. The Process of Belief: does still sound good despite being too loud
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Originally posted by coop coop wrote:

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The New America. Really. Empire is number two and Process number 3. Recipe number 4.
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Originally posted by Marty Marty wrote:

I just realized that I don't even know who produced the new record. The previous 3 were produced by Baressi.

According to Wikipedia the new one is produced by Carlos de la Garza. Normally another producer should shake things up a bit and makes things interesting (think The Gray Race).. but the songs so far sound pretty much like True North.

Baressi actually mixed every studio album since Empire, including Christmas Songs, so if counted based on this, that would be 4/5 (4 and a half?) records :)
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Originally posted by Metmass Metmass wrote:


Originally posted by Marty Marty wrote:

I just realized that I don't even know who produced the new record. The previous 3 were produced by Baressi.

According to Wikipedia the new one is produced by Carlos de la Garza. Normally another producer should shake things up a bit and makes things interesting (think The Gray Race).. but the songs so far sound pretty much like True North.


Baressi actually mixed every studio album since Empire, including Christmas Songs, so if counted based on this, that would be 4/5 (4 and a half?) records :)

3 and a half actually:
- New Maps
- Dissent of Man
- True North
(- Christmas Songs)

The Empire was produced by Brett and Greg.
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Alright :) I'm just saying that he still mixed that record, so even if he was not in control of the whole direction the band was taking while recording, he shaped the sound later. That's why I would still count it as contribution to the production.

So Age of Unreason is the first record since Process where Baressi did not contribute in any way, so I'm very eager to hear the whole thing.
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Originally posted by Chainofslowdecay Chainofslowdecay wrote:

Honestly of the newer (yeah I'm getting old) albums, TPOB has my least favorite production. Great songs, but the guitars are a little too low in the mix and the vocals too high in the mix for me.

That's interesting, for many years I always LOVED the sound of TPOB, it seemed just perfect to me. I haven't listened to it in a while though and after your post I re-visited it just now. I still like it, I like it a lot... but on most of the record the vocals are WAY too loud for my taste.

It's funny how perception changes with age and with experience. I only became more interested in sound mixing in the last couple of years and now I get to re-evaluate every single album I have ever liked or disliked.


Oh and to the other posts here, The Gray Race does have a wonderful feeling of space in the mix, it's way different than the previous records but I like it a lot. I can see why Brett hated it though.
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I think if brett would have still been in the band during tgr, and the album had that sound it has, brett would have had his perfect pop song on it.
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I think you're right! I believe his stuff would have also sounded great on NS.
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Gray Race. Underrated album. Also like Stranger thjan fiction and No Substance. 

I don't like the production since Process, it sounds like digital-guitars. Also don't like Recipe for hate, it had no punch.


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Not trying to be contrarian but I HATE the way STF sounds. On either side of it you've got Bobby's drums absolutely booming, but STF has this pusillanimous mix that I suspect was optimized for FM radio trends at the time. Ric Ocasek + BR was a great combo IMO. 

I like that musically BR has moved past the balls-to-the-wall fury of Suffer/NC, but I think their post-Atlantic output is very same-sounding production-wise and it's not all that satisfying. I mean, I can get over it of course, but BR tend to choke all the air out of the room when getting to the final product. I'd like to hear a more open/raw sound like the Trinity records, even though I prefer the musicality of the newer stuff. 
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Originally posted by box55 box55 wrote:

 
I don't like the production since Process, it sounds like digital-guitars. Also don't like Recipe for hate, it had no punch.

I'm curious as to what was the last album Hetson actually tracked on. It seems pretty obvious over the last 4 or 5 albums that Baker is doing most if not all of the guitars, with maybe a lead or solo here or there from someone else. It is an efficient way to record, but it (in addition of all the compression) adds to that "digital" guitar feel. 

I also kind of miss that BR meets Dag Nasty feel the Gray Race guitars had, especially the title track. Brian played VERY Dag-ish on that record but not so much after that. 
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