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Originally posted by Metmass Metmass wrote:

 
I agree with all of you too.

I was actually fine with 30 Years Live but I still cannot forget how obviously overdubbed the backing vocals on Live at the Palladium were - and that was 13 years ago. Unfortunately time did not do the band any favors in that regard.
Oh man, I never realized they're overdubbed but it makes sense now that I listen to it. Honestly I don't mind, because it wouldn't be a very enjoyable experience without them. Never liked the sound a lot, it feels muddy and there's not a lot of punch. 
Still love the DVD, though, I bought it when I'd been a fan of the band for maybe a year and it introduced me to a lot of songs I'd overlooked like God's love, Kyoto now and plenty others. But I digress!
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Yeah, the overdubbed harmonies on Palladium struck me too. Especially when you read what Greg wrote on Tested about live albums and sound processing. Still I find many songs on Palladium are really great because of those harmonies (Recipe among other).
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Originally posted by friteman friteman wrote:

Especially when you read what Greg wrote on Tested about live albums and sound processing.
What did he write?
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Quite the whole booklet is about the way Tested was produced, recorded and mixed.

"Most live albums suck" ... "So much emphasis is put on production tricks and fabricated excitement in the studio that most band have a hard time recreating it when they perform in front of an audience" ... "Either the band isn't skilled enough  to make the live recording energetic or interesting, or the album is so replete with overdubs that it sounds like a water-down representation of the original studio recording, with clapping and fading in and out. The album you have your hands on right now has no overdubs. We used only the original tracks that were recorded live on stage" ... "it reveals, more honestly and directly than any recordings to date, the intensity and melody that sets BR apart as a live band."
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I doubt there are any overdubs on Palladium DVD. I tried to listen to 5.1 track separately by channel, and backing vocals were too inaccurate to suggest they were overdubbed in several takes.
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Yes there is
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Originally posted by DuReX DuReX wrote:

I doubt there are any overdubs on Palladium DVD. I tried to listen to 5.1 track separately by channel, and backing vocals were too inaccurate to suggest they were overdubbed in several takes.

Two examples would be in Modern Man (last chorus) and Do What You Want (second verse). If these are not overdubs, it's probably the best BR live singing ever recorded.
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Originally posted by coop coop wrote:

I have always hated that Jays mic seems to be off almost every time.


That always bothers me, too.

That they can't sing the harmonies live like on record is probably because only Greg, Brett and Jay sing in the studio. So the harmonies... I am of the opinion that at least to have read that.

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I have a feeling Greg does almost all of the harmonies in the studio with overdubs. The ooozin' ahhs are another story, but I'm sure those are easier for Brett and Jay when they aren't having to play an instrument, and have multiple takes. Live, I've heard Jay sound great, and I've heard Jay sound bad. Often the soundguy doesn't do them any favors, either. 


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