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Topic: 21st Century (Digital Boy) on No Control?
Posted By: Marty
Subject: 21st Century (Digital Boy) on No Control?
Date Posted: 01/07/2009 at 12:14
I found this blog where someone states the following:
Quote Although it appeared on Against the Grain, 21st Century (Digital Boy) didn't became a hit until it appeared on Stranger Than Fiction. It was slated to appear on Bad Religion's fourth album, No Control, but was deemed to slow of a song for the band.

I haven't heard this one before. Do you guys think there's any truth in it? Jay...?



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Posted By: Robo Pilgrim
Date Posted: 01/07/2009 at 12:41
Too slow? It's no slower than Sanity. 

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Posted By: tested
Date Posted: 01/07/2009 at 15:58
I've got a bootleg copy of their Acoustic show and interview on KROQ from a few years ago, where the talk about it, and that, (plus my own recollection) seems to suggest this; Brett wrote the song for No Control, (hence the reference to the album in the song), but the producer, and possible the other members of the band thought it was too mainstream rock-ish, and left it go. They picked it up on Against the Grain, and weren't sure that it would be "accepted" by their fans and the punk community, however the airplay it recieved on KROQ helped to solidify the song as a semi-popular song, and eventually re-recorded for Stranger Than Ficition, and became one of their biggest hits.
Edit: Jay most likely knows what really went on and is really the one to ask
Disclaimer: This is only my memory here, and I could be remebering some things incorrectly, or be just plain wrong!   


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Posted By: nropevolI
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 06:16
I don't think it matters that much. There was only a year between those albums. It's not like it was written in 1982. I want to know how old the songs on TPOB were

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Posted By: Marty
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 12:55
Well, it may be only one year... but personally I think NC and ATG are very different. Both in sound and style.
So actually I'm trying to image what No Control would have been like with 21st Century (Digital Boy)... and Against The Grain without that song.
One song could have major impact on an album...


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Posted By: tested
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 14:57
Originally posted by nropevolI nropevolI wrote:

I want to know how old the songs on TPOB were
Weren't the songs on TPOB new songs (at the time) just in the old style altough maybe Brett was hanging on to some stuff he had written durring his absence?


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Posted By: Agrigate
Date Posted: 01/09/2009 at 21:00
Originally posted by Marty Marty wrote:

Well, it may be only one year... but personally I think NC and ATG are very different. Both in sound and style.
So actually I'm trying to image what No Control would have been like with 21st Century (Digital Boy)... and Against The Grain without that song.
One song could have major impact on an album...

I don't think ATG would have been much different, but it would have been interesting to see where and how it would fit on NC. Right after I Want Something More would have been interesting. 


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Posted By: Marty
Date Posted: 01/10/2009 at 02:42
Originally posted by Agrigate Agrigate wrote:

I don't think ATG would have been much different, but it would have been interesting to see where and how it would fit on NC. Right after I Want Something More would have been interesting. 
Or instead of The World Won't Stop Without You... That would be my vote.


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Posted By: Agrigate
Date Posted: 01/10/2009 at 16:21
Originally posted by Marty Marty wrote:

Originally posted by Agrigate Agrigate wrote:

I don't think ATG would have been much different, but it would have been interesting to see where and how it would fit on NC. Right after I Want Something More would have been interesting. 
Or instead of The World Won't Stop Without You... That would be my vote.
Hey I can see that working! As long as it wouldn't fade out, and ends with "Ain't life a mystery!" like in the live shows


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Posted By: GillesDeRiceKrispies
Date Posted: 01/10/2009 at 17:31
Personally, I'd put it right after Sanity - I think the outro to that right next to the intro of Digital Boy could be interesting. 

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Posted By: tested
Date Posted: 01/10/2009 at 17:35

Yep, that's where I'd put it too.



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Posted By: Agrigate
Date Posted: 01/10/2009 at 17:57
Originally posted by Brmarlin Brmarlin wrote:

Personally, I'd put it right after Sanity - I think the outro to that right next to the intro of Digital Boy could be interesting. 
Nah, I prefer how the beat goes into Henchman too much to fuck that up.


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Posted By: AnxietyDestroys
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 09:15
I like ATG version of Digital Boy.

Anyway ever listen to 21st Century Schizoid Man?... that song and album are amazing..


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Posted By: Anti-
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 09:54
I drool when I imagine that... No Control would have been even better than it is now. And it is a fuckin great album. Maybe it would have suited well right after the title song. Who knows...
 
But anyways, all this makes me think of the song New Chapter that was supposed to be on NMOH. If I remember correctly, someone in the band said that they might put it on the next album or something. Well, if the next album sounds too different from NMOH then they might choose not to use it at all. Or if they use it it might sound weird. But of course they could use it as a b-side on a single.
 
Uff... I know that was kinda off-topic, but I just wanted to say that. Sorry...


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Posted By: tested
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 10:12
Originally posted by Anti- Anti- wrote:

  
But anyways, all this makes me think of the song New Chapter that was supposed to be on NMOH. If I remember correctly, someone in the band said that they might put it on the next album or something. Well, if the next album sounds too different from NMOH then they might choose not to use it at all. Or if they use it it might sound weird. But of course they could use it as a b-side on a single.

Maybe we can pay 25 bucks for it again... Ha ha ha ... but seriously I bet that New Chapter doesn't sound as interesting as it would seem, it gets hyped because it got cut from the album, but maybe it wasn't all that good... we'll have to wait and see what if anything they do with it :) 


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Posted By: Anti-
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 10:45
Well there is no way knowing if it is a good one or not, is there? But I do know that they have left great songs off records before. I'm of course talking about Who We Are and one of my all time favourite Surface of Me. So, it wouldn't suprise me too much if it turned out that New Chapter is their most incredible song ever. But like I said, there is no way to know.
 
I'll try to dig up the topic we had about New Chapter to see if there was any interesting info.


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Posted By: Marty
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 11:14
Talking about unreleased songs.... check out this little piece of info from http://www.thebrpage.net/theanswer/?article=unreleased_songs - The Answer :
Quote They recorded 23 songs for The Gray Race and only 15 made it to the CD. Even if Universal Cynic and The Dodo were 2 of them, there are still 6 left.
I wonder how much of this is true as I can't remember having heard anything else about it.


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Posted By: tested
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 11:19
Originally posted by Anti- Anti- wrote:

Well there is no way knowing if it is a good one or not, is there? But I do know that they have left great songs off records before. I'm of course talking about Who We Are and one of my all time favourite Surface of Me. So, it wouldn't suprise me too much if it turned out that New Chapter is their most incredible song ever. But like I said, there is no way to know.
 
I'll try to dig up the topic we had about New Chapter to see if there was any interesting info.
 
I'm not saying it won't be good, I'm just saying that we shouldn't assume that it will be. So I think we agree!


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Posted By: jabberwock
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 12:06
Originally posted by Marty Marty wrote:

I found this blog where someone states the following:
Quote Although it appeared on Against the Grain, 21st Century (Digital Boy) didn't became a hit until it appeared on Stranger Than Fiction. It was slated to appear on Bad Religion's fourth album, No Control, but was deemed to slow of a song for the band.

I haven't heard this one before. Do you guys think there's any truth in it? Jay...?

nope... written for against the grain. if you notice, the song is pretty "buried" in the track listing. it wasn't that we thought it too slow, but maybe a bit too much like eddie and the subtitles "american society".. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=46445746


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Posted By: tested
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 12:13
All right, thanks Jay I guess my knowlege was wrong!

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Posted By: nropevolI
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 12:13
Originally posted by jabberwock jabberwock wrote:

Originally posted by Marty Marty wrote:

I found this blog where someone states the following:
Quote Although it appeared on Against the Grain, 21st Century (Digital Boy) didn't became a hit until it appeared on Stranger Than Fiction. It was slated to appear on Bad Religion's fourth album, No Control, but was deemed to slow of a song for the band.

I haven't heard this one before. Do you guys think there's any truth in it? Jay...?

nope... written for against the grain. if you notice, the song is pretty "buried" in the track listing. it wasn't that we thought it too slow, but maybe a bit too much like eddie and the subtitles "american society".. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=46445746


Gees! that IS pretty similar! even the lyrics, the way the powerchords are struck. I like 21st century a lot better because this one has monotonous vocals.


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Posted By: AnxietyDestroys
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 20:58
Originally posted by Marty Marty wrote:

Talking about unreleased songs.... check out this little piece of info from http://www.thebrpage.net/theanswer/?article=unreleased_songs - The Answer :
Quote They recorded 23 songs for The Gray Race and only 15 made it to the CD. Even if Universal Cynic and The Dodo were 2 of them, there are still 6 left.
I wonder how much of this is true as I can't remember having heard anything else about it.


Jay has on many occasions stated that above statement is false.


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Posted By: AnxietyDestroys
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 21:01
What no love to King Crimson in a 21st Century Digital Boy topic?

Jay?

"Confusion will be my epitaph."


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Posted By: jabberwock
Date Posted: 01/11/2009 at 21:11
Originally posted by AnxietyDestroys AnxietyDestroys wrote:

What no love to King Crimson in a 21st Century Digital Boy topic?

Jay?

"Confusion will be my epitaph."

i didn't see that raised as an issue, but there are SO many references related to that song that i assumed it was (capt.) obvious.


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Posted By: AnxietyDestroys
Date Posted: 01/12/2009 at 01:23
No issue intended... both bands are two separate entities. When I first heard the album King Crimson album I was blown away.

But not a lot of people have actually heard that album (I would assume) they just read about the references to that album on this page in "The Answer" section. At least I was guilty of that for a while...until my senses were turned on the The Court of The Crimson King.


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Posted By: AnxietyDestroys
Date Posted: 01/12/2009 at 01:37
Assuming may have been my first mistake... but I think it was a valid assumption.

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Posted By: Anti-
Date Posted: 01/12/2009 at 06:38
Originally posted by tested tested wrote:

 
I'm not saying it won't be good, I'm just saying that we shouldn't assume that it will be. So I think we agree!
 
Indeed we do!


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Posted By: coop
Date Posted: 01/14/2009 at 01:21

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nope... written for against the grain. if you notice, the song is pretty "buried" in the track listing. it wasn't that we thought it too slow, but maybe a bit too much like eddie and the subtitles "american society".. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=46445746


I've never liked digital boy, so its nice to hear that it isnt even bad religion song. :)


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Posted By: ThiagoPD64
Date Posted: 01/14/2009 at 03:13
I prefer the fastest version of the song.

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