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I emailed Jay and asked about No Substance/The New America on the tour, and also if Brett will be playing at all.
On Feb 19, 2008, at 1:33 PM, jay bentley wrote:
tom,
i knew that "90's" would be the hardest to work out because it would encompass 6 albums. i wanted to make sure we got something from every album, those two will have to be the ones that are the least represented, with one or possibly two songs from either.
i guess it just didn't seem like a strong enough proposition to have "the atlantic / warner years".
brett will be playing most of the shows in hollywood, maybe some shows in anaheim, not sure about san diego or vegas...
-jay-
On Feb 18, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber wrote:
Hi Jay,
In the myspace bulletin you posted, with the 90's years you had no mention of No Substance or New America, and with the modern years all you said was TPOB-NMOH.
Are you guys gonna be playing anything off of those two often neglected albums?
Also is Brett going to be playing in this tour at all?
Thanks,
~Tom
Thanks to Torbar for this news!
On Feb 19, 2008, at 1:33 PM, jay bentley wrote:
tom,
i knew that "90's" would be the hardest to work out because it would encompass 6 albums. i wanted to make sure we got something from every album, those two will have to be the ones that are the least represented, with one or possibly two songs from either.
i guess it just didn't seem like a strong enough proposition to have "the atlantic / warner years".
brett will be playing most of the shows in hollywood, maybe some shows in anaheim, not sure about san diego or vegas...
-jay-
On Feb 18, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Tom Barber wrote:
Hi Jay,
In the myspace bulletin you posted, with the 90's years you had no mention of No Substance or New America, and with the modern years all you said was TPOB-NMOH.
Are you guys gonna be playing anything off of those two often neglected albums?
Also is Brett going to be playing in this tour at all?
Thanks,
~Tom
Thanks to Torbar for this news!
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02/28/2008 at 16:46
Dogbert, I'm not confusing anything, that's what I said originally. The best thing about Bobby is the way his drums sound on those albums in the context of those songs. Bobby got the best production, for me. Brooks' drums, which he probably makes better use of and comes up with all those crazy fills ya'll seem to like, sound mushed into the overall tone for the jams and use way too much goofy high end for my taste. 'Overture' comes to mind. Brooks is their best drummer. I don't like his production though, so his skills are lost on me.
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02/28/2008 at 14:17
In the "Greg Graffin wins award"-thread someone posted an entry from Brett's online diary quoting him that they are rehearsing "In the Night", which made me cream my pants.
If they are truly going to play that, I will have to buy myself a plane ticket. I cannot believe they play that song. IN-fucking-CREDIBLE!!! I can't wait for any kind of recording of this. |
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02/28/2008 at 02:46
agreed that its a matter of opinion but... After I bought new speakers in my car and a small sub u can tell a huge difference in uality after new America sounds alot louder more clear and on time then any other records
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02/27/2008 at 23:55
W!, I think you're confusing Brooks' skills with the production. Blame that on Joe Barresi or Brett (you know you want on the latter) or praise Ocasek (in the case of Gray Race). One thing os what musicians can do (based on their skills alone). Another thing is how that translates into the overall sound of an album, for thich producers and mixers are the most responsible for.
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02/27/2008 at 21:33
Opinions all, daniel, but for me the way Bobby sounds on RFH & Gray Race is tops. For me. I like Brooks' work on POB, but I don't think he lived up to it on the next 2 albums. That's my opinion not being a drummer, just a listener. I'm sure technically he's doing something that makes you kids get all goofy.
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02/27/2008 at 18:58
hey I hate to disagree with you W! But I think brooks has the best production albums and drumming heh. Process of belief drumming sounds great its clear their is just enough treble and bass to keep a balance and his drums are tunes well... And tesf has my favorite tom sounds... How big and clean the tons sound in that album is crazy an in new maps of he'll the kick and cymbals sound amazing listen to the hi hats during pilgrim on the new one they sound so good the kick is big the snare stands out the old production I think sux sounds muddy and tuned improperly
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02/27/2008 at 18:53
hey atomic garden just thought ide not on your comment first thing I think there were 4 drummers total cuz the first guy quit then rejoined during against the grain or generator something like that so whoever took is place would be the ourth cuz that was befre bobby shayer but I may be wrong. Anyway brooks doesn't even compare he is an amazing drummer I've seen him do a clinic in long beach and he is up there with john Blackwell and his brother chad and dennis chambers he has a very unique style I've been playing for 4 years and he is a huge influence on me his style is tite
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02/27/2008 at 16:42
I hold it down in H-town. H-town, Cuba. You?
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02/27/2008 at 13:02
And then you became "the new america". I'm not from the USA. And I don't hate americans. They are the nicest people in the world, but they have a bad government. I never understood why the USA aren't two different country's. All the smart people should live in the North with a democratic president and all the rednecks should live in the south. Or is that a bad idea?
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02/27/2008 at 02:21
It was 2000 A.D. I think it was November, might have been October. What a different world it was then. Not every country in the world hated us, only most!
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02/27/2008 at 00:17
what year was that?
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02/26/2008 at 23:22
i think i might have just asked a very dumb question...idk. are you from algeria? were you in austin that night?
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02/26/2008 at 23:18
yeah W! I was. It was a really great night. I just remember that when the lights went out the sound of machine guns and that sort of thing came on for a minute and thats what the group came out to. Graffin kind of stood off to the side though. Then Brian started the opening chords of don't sell me short and the rest of the band kicked in for the intro. Then when the lyrics "we don't need..." started is when greg went to the front of the stage. It was really cool. I'm pretty sure when Graffin finally made his presence felt and came forward, he flicked off the crowd as sang "we..." I'm pretty sure I remember that. Is that correct, do you remember. Are you from south texas?
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02/26/2008 at 17:52
ooh, Danny, you may have me on that one. Was it 'Don't Sell Me Short?' You're probably right.
Were you there? |
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02/26/2008 at 10:13
I don't know if they ship to Sweden, but this site ships to the UK and are very reliable. They've got TNA for ?7.99:
http://www.play.com /Music/CD/4- /1063775/New-Amerika /Product.html It says "(UK)" in the heading of the page, so I assume they might have sites for other countries too. And yeah, they spelt "America" wrong. :/ |
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02/26/2008 at 05:59
Brooks is serius!! I dont known the attitude of Bobby in '90 years. But, when I watch Peter Finestone on the DVD of SUffer during German's tour; I see a guy who is very intense and hardcore when I play drum. But, yes I agree that Brooks is technicaly the best drumers of all three!
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02/26/2008 at 04:42
From most stores Ive gone to FYE usually has more BR albums that I don't see around. I got the German Import of Punk Rock Songs: The Epic Years for like 13 bucks in the summer. The only thing is most of this album prices are ridiculous but some are very cheap.
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02/26/2008 at 03:45
Funny thing: TNA was the first BR album I've owned. So, for me, it wasn't a let down. Though, it's hard for me to go back and listen to it.
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02/26/2008 at 03:22
They should play the first four songs of no substance, strange denial, In so many ways, the first four in New America, Let it burn and don't sell me short. I don't mean I dislike the other songs, but that rocks for me
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02/26/2008 at 02:23
I got NS and TNA from half.com. Only albums I have seen at FYE by BR are How Could Hell Be any Worse, Suffer, Against The Grain, No Control, Process of Belief, Empire Strikes First, New Maps of Hell, and A Walk single(bought it for like, 2 bucks)
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02/26/2008 at 01:12
Hate to keep disagreeing with you W! but the show @ Stubbs in Austin had an opening song of Don't Sell Me Short. Don't even remember them playing Let it Burn at that show. Do remember the opening one though.
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02/26/2008 at 00:53
My dad got me TNA new two Christmases ago and I got NS new by a special order at FYE in my mall. If you have a FYE near you ask if they will order you one. It doesn't cost any extra just a deposit of like a few bucks which goes towards the purchase once they get it.
Oh but I see you are in Sweden, so maybe that might not work for you. I'd check online. |
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02/25/2008 at 18:08
not that funny :(, it's impossible to find TNA anywhere here, it's the only album i don't have yet, NS I was lucky to find used. On the other hand ITU is far better than those.
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02/25/2008 at 17:35
For the record, the order is:
Brooks - technically best Bobby - best sound production Pete - best albums |
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02/25/2008 at 08:20
I think it's funny when the band says those two albums are bad, because I can guarantee there are more than enough fans that would love to hear that material live and enjoy both of those albums as much as any of the others.
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02/25/2008 at 07:11
Yea Jay Z is a little puss
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02/25/2008 at 06:59
In terms of talent, yes brooks is the best of the three, but all made their own way.
Bobby how I miss thee, see he was a fan and to me there is no better drummer replacement than a die hard fan. He had this awesome gallop, that added a pulse to every standard song (up unto new america) yes even no substance rocks imo.. Brooks is just wicked..ive seen him play with suicidal/infectious grooves as well as tenacious d and yes he is by far the best quality drummer br has had ive also had the luck to see pete play, and he truly isnt bad either, I just find it odd that he wanted out of drumming only to join other bands(that kinda stink sorry!!) There you have my view.. minus the Jay Ziskrout(crazy rich sob!)..do your research and youll know what I mean... |
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02/25/2008 at 02:23
atomic garden: Brooks is definitely the best drummer out of these three. I really liked Bobby but i dont agree that his sound were more hardcore than Brooks, quite the opposite actually.
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02/24/2008 at 22:03
I disagree with you on your views of Bobby and Brooks style. I'd say Bobby had more a poppy sound to everything and Brooks is more punk. I wouldn't say Finestone was the best in terms of skill either, Brooks wins in that category. But Finestone is definitely my favorite.
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02/24/2008 at 20:23
For me, the bid difference of Modern age vs old age is the drummer! When Bobby Schayer quit BR, Brooks change a little bit the sound of BR. The style of Schayer was hardcore and Brook's style are more jazz punk... Honnestly, im am nostalgic of Schayer but the best drummer of BR was Pete Finestone during '80 years... !
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02/24/2008 at 06:29
Wouldn't it be awesome if Greg G. busted out a really old MIDI keyboard and put on some glasses with thick rims, and they started playing some ItU stuff?
Only if he can change his name to Atom... |
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02/24/2008 at 03:38
during the Cold as Clay tour greg did indeed play some ITU.. I personally heard him play "chasing the wild goose" during sound check at the American hall in sf.
wasnt all of it or anything but interesting. Odd he didnt play it in the actual set though. |
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02/24/2008 at 01:44
Haha, HomerSapien, that would be great! But I would leave the glasses with thick rims to Brett and have Greg wear goggles like in the American Jesus video. Also, I was thinking that he should rehash the piano thing for the American Lesion version of Cease and while they are at it, they could make the setlist to go Cease - Fields of Mars - Atomic Garden - We're Only Gonna Die so that Greg can perform the little piano pieces those songs have, too.
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02/24/2008 at 00:35
Wouldn't it be awesome if Greg G. busted out a really old MIDI keyboard and put on some glasses with thick rims, and they started playing some ItU stuff?
No? Kay. |
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02/23/2008 at 23:45
YEAH, WE WANT TO HEAR INTO THE UNKNOWN!!
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02/23/2008 at 20:29
No substance > all
It still makes me tingle in my jibblets! |
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02/23/2008 at 18:34
No Substance
A World Without Melody It's A Long Way To The Promised Land Victims Of The Revolution The Same Person Don't Sell Me Short would be nice...but everyone's forgetting something... Into the Unknown!!! |
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02/23/2008 at 17:45
"Just got home to find my son commanding armies on xbox live - time for me to practice a crazy BR set list and get those calluses in shape" - Brett
2 days ago |
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02/23/2008 at 06:49
They played Sowing the Seeds of Utopia when they came to Winnipeg. It was pretty good.
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02/23/2008 at 06:24
on the answer it has them listed under emails or something. Only one that almost always answers is Jay. Don't know who else ever does.
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02/22/2008 at 22:13
gregtastic@badreligion.com
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02/22/2008 at 22:09
What are the bandmembers' emails?
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02/22/2008 at 20:55
I think tommy here wins today's BRSuperfan award for discriminating 80-83 and Back to the Known.
For the record, it's: 80-85 Suffer thru Generator Recipe (it stands alone in awesomeness and record label) STF thru TNA PoB thru NMoH |
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02/22/2008 at 20:15
My way of thinking:
1. 80-83 2 Back to the known/suffer 3 no control/ against the grain/ generator 4 recipe/ stranger than fiction / the gray race 5 no substance/ new america 6 Process of belief/Tesf/New maps yeah it's weird. But back to the known has this rock n roll feeling. and you can hear that on suffer too. ( what can you do?, Give you nothing) I really like songs like that. |
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02/22/2008 at 18:23
I'd personally say Against the Grain is the same age as Generator/Recipe/STF. When I listen to Suffer, and then I listen to Against The Grain, while I can tell it's the same band(even If I knew nothing about BR), It still sounds a bit different.
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02/22/2008 at 17:15
Yes, the New America tour was free if you sent in the UPC code and receipt, and told them what show you wanted to go to. They mailed you a pretty cool-looking ticket (which I had to give up at the door, dammit!) with the venue stamped on the back. The show I went to was in Austin at Stubb's with LES Stitches, I believe. They opened with 'Let It Burn.'
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02/22/2008 at 15:29
I think tpob until nmoh are the modern age, because they are diferent from new america, brett is back, and brooks on the drums, they are very diferent
i think the ages are 1-80-85 2-suffer, no control, against... 3-generator, recipe, stf 4-tgr, ns, new america 5-the last 3 alguns |
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02/22/2008 at 12:22
Is the year 2000 part of the 90's? I always count 0 as 1. Like 1990 is part of the nineties. So I think it's weird The New America isn't part of the modern age.
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02/22/2008 at 11:34
Oh... If I had the chance to fly over to the US for that show, I'd do it! No Substance IS a kicking album. TNA too, but not zat much.
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02/22/2008 at 04:40
Also, StevenF. They play Sewing the Seeds occasionally.
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02/22/2008 at 04:39
TNA tour was free if you bought the CD the first week or something, and sent in the reciept along with what show you would like to go to.
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02/22/2008 at 03:50
How about some Pretenders or Fast Life love.
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02/22/2008 at 02:17
the new america tour was not free. maybe some dates in europe were or something. but I went to a couple of dates on that tour and I had to pay!
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02/22/2008 at 01:26
The New America tour was free? What? I never heard about that before. You mean they didn't charge any money for any gigs on that tour?
I would LOVE to hear Strange Denial live. Whenever I hear people talk about No Substance, people always bring up Strange Denial, which I just love as it kind of shows an unspoken bond amongst fans as the song isn't particularly special from the album point of view, but everyone seems to have picked it as one of their favourites anyway. A lot of people seem to love No Substance, even if the band don't. It would be nice if they played more NS songs live, but they would get boring fast, I think. The New America was a good album, just not a good Bad Religion album (With the exception of Don't Sell Me Short and You've Got a Chance; Amazing BR songs!). I think they should be brought into normal setlist rotation more often. |
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02/22/2008 at 00:31
They played a whole bunch of those songs on the No Substance and New America tours. And the New America tour was free!
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02/21/2008 at 22:57
Sowing The Seeds Of Utopia
Strange Denial You've Got A Chance Don't Sell Me Short Thats how my picks would look like! |
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02/21/2008 at 22:44
Hehe ive talked to jay personally about the atlantic era.. Do i need to remind you all what grey race was on also?
Anyway Jay says its the bands combined view that no sub and new america shouldnt be played again, telling me that youd be lucky to ever hear more than 1 or 2 songs from each ever again. One was biggest killet, and dont sell me short grey race is loved by to many to be left in the dirt so I cant wait for generator + grey race stuffs!!! |
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02/21/2008 at 22:41
Even though I wish as much as I could that I could be there for even one of the shows, I can't. But I still hope they play either Hear It, Shades of Truth, Strange Denial, or In So Many Ways and someone gets a video of it.
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02/21/2008 at 20:34
I'm hoping we hear songs like that this tour.
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02/21/2008 at 20:22
Hear It
In So Many Ways Streetkid Don't Sell Me Short |
