Greg to Be Honored for Lifetime Achievement

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Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008
Time: 8:00pm - 10:00pm
Location: The Memorial Church, Harvard
Get tickets at the Harvard Box Office! $5 students, $10 public.

CAMBRIDGE, MA - Harvard University's prominent community of atheists and agnostics is poised to honor a rock star and scientist whom they argue is an ideal role model for the nation's millions of non-religious youth.

The Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard has gained considerable national attention in the past year for its unique approach to building a culture and community for the non-religious, and this April 26 it will give its highest honor, the "Outstanding Lifetime Achievement Award in Cultural Humanism," to a unique figure: Dr. Greg Graffin, frontman of the influential punk rock band Bad Religion. Graffin, whose "day job" since 1980 has been recording and extensive worldwide touring with a band boasting such hits as "How Could Hell be Any Worse" and "American Jesus," earned his PhD in Zoology at Cornell and is a member of the UCLA's Faculty in Biology, teaching Life Sciences courses covering Darwin and natural selection. Graffin will give an acoustic performance after accepting the award.

"I always put education high on my list of priorities because I thought, Wouldn't it be neat if you can have a singer of your favorite band who also has something more to offer than looking cool - which I don't - or dressing cool - which I don't;" Graffin said. "Those are the things that I try to inspire young people to do, whether it is in the lecture hall or on stage on the Warped Tour."

But Bad Religion, considered among the most influential modern punk bands, has been known for inspiring young people towards a particular set of ideas: those of atheism and Humanism. Graffin's lyrics make plain his passionate disbelief in God. Yet the Harvard Humanists cite his faith in the ability of music and science to improve the world as making the singer unique.

"Graffin is proof positive that atheists can be great ethical role models: young people idolize rock stars, and what more could you want from one than his lifelong dedication to science, education, and Humanism?" said Greg Epstein, Humanist Chaplain of Harvard University.

The award, intended to honor a Humanist or atheist having made a lasting impact on US culture, was presented last year to renowned novelist Sir Salman Rushdie before a sold-out audience of 1100 that Rushdie likened to a celebration of "Atheistmas," and will once again be conferred at Harvard's Memorial Church, the official University Chapel. Graffin was selected for this year's award by the Harvard Secular Society, an undergraduate student group affiliated with the Humanist Chaplaincy. The event is co-sponsored by Newbury Comics, Harvard Book Store, & the Cambridge Forum.

For information about Greg Graffin and Bad Religion, visit:
http://www.badreligion.com

For information about the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard, visit:
http://harvardhumanist.org.

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simian Infected Avatar Nauseam Location: Baltimore, MD Status: Offline Posts: 1155	Quote confused, what the hell are you talking about? context? 05/14/2008 at 02:46 confused, what the hell are you talking about? context?
confused Guest Location: United States	Quote How does someone like yourself who is being honored for very worthy academic achievements have friends like Greg Hetson who has a really screwed up daughter that he should discipline and attend to and become a parent to. How can you be related? 05/11/2008 at 10:52 How does someone like yourself who is being honored for very worthy academic achievements have friends like Greg Hetson who has a really screwed up daughter that he should discipline and attend to and become a parent to. How can you be related?
tommy Lost Pilgrim Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Posts: 37	Quote haha, I think knowing the truth is very very very important. But being happy is more important. But, it's a little like the Matrix. You can chose the red pill or the blue pill. Some people may be happier chosing a happy life over the truth. (if it ?s the truth, maybe God does exist) 05/05/2008 at 13:39 haha, I think knowing the truth is very very very important. But being happy is more important. But, it's a little like the Matrix. You can chose the red pill or the blue pill. Some people may be happier chosing a happy life over the truth. (if it ?s the truth, maybe God does exist)
madreligion Guest Location: Global Citizen	Quote "atrocities" is right, sorry, but then again, i was happy posting the part with the wrong spelling, so i achieved the goal of life. 05/05/2008 at 13:16 "atrocities" is right, sorry, but then again, i was happy posting the part with the wrong spelling, so i achieved the goal of life.
madreligion Guest Location: Global Citizen	Quote "The main goal in life is to find happiness, not being right" what religion is that from? "ignorance is bliss" church? or the "dictators justify their attorcities" church? 05/05/2008 at 13:15 "The main goal in life is to find happiness, not being right" what religion is that from? "ignorance is bliss" church? or the "dictators justify their attorcities" church?
badrelgnsf The Same Person lost in ramble nation Location: Sacramento CA Status: Offline Posts: 2097	Quote hmm, who in BR has kept it a secret what they believe in? when bobby was still playin in 95 they came out with telling everyone.. no one remembers? this same story too, greg was the only atheist. With that said.. simian what was it you wanted to know? who was what? and what diff would it matter? two of the members told me personally they were religious but didnt go to church etc..nothing that drastic. And who is to say one likes the bible of the religion which they belong. I know tons of religious people who despise the bible, its off cuff but it happens. Hell if it wasnt for the bible id still be religious so I say KEEP READIN! anyway simian, I can only say whats been publicly said so idk email me 05/05/2008 at 12:17 hmm, who in BR has kept it a secret what they believe in? when bobby was still playin in 95 they came out with telling everyone.. no one remembers? this same story too, greg was the only atheist. With that said.. simian what was it you wanted to know? who was what? and what diff would it matter? two of the members told me personally they were religious but didnt go to church etc..nothing that drastic. And who is to say one likes the bible of the religion which they belong. I know tons of religious people who despise the bible, its off cuff but it happens. Hell if it wasnt for the bible id still be religious so I say KEEP READIN! anyway simian, I can only say whats been publicly said so idk email me
simian Infected Avatar Nauseam Location: Baltimore, MD Status: Offline Posts: 1155	Quote tommy, while I sympathize with your personal experience with your dad, I still disagree that it's better to believe something untrue and be happy than it is to know the truth. it's funny because someone contacted me about this post outside this message board and said it was courageous to say that because this board is dominated by relativists. lol. Sorry, I feel like I'm insulting someone when I fail to at least ATTEMPT to show them why religious belief is irrational (and inherently bad for other reasons that don't necessarily have to do with that particular person). 05/05/2008 at 05:22 tommy, while I sympathize with your personal experience with your dad, I still disagree that it's better to believe something untrue and be happy than it is to know the truth. it's funny because someone contacted me about this post outside this message board and said it was courageous to say that because this board is dominated by relativists. lol. Sorry, I feel like I'm insulting someone when I fail to at least ATTEMPT to show them why religious belief is irrational (and inherently bad for other reasons that don't necessarily have to do with that particular person).
tommy Lost Pilgrim Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Posts: 37	Quote I am totally behind Boxcar! I already had my hands on my keyboard to type almost the exact same reply as Boxcar did to simian. People should decide for themselves what they believe. When you are a christian and you chose to listen to bad religion. It's your own choice. But offending people in their face is wrong. I used to be like that a couple of times. I always tried to pick on stuff from the bible to my die-hard christian dad. And after a two years he just almost cried and said: I know there is a lot of stuff from the bible that is proven wrong. I read other books." And for the first time in my life I thought that maybe some people are happier believing something even if it may not be true. The main goal in life is to find happiness, not being right 05/04/2008 at 12:39 I am totally behind Boxcar! I already had my hands on my keyboard to type almost the exact same reply as Boxcar did to simian. People should decide for themselves what they believe. When you are a christian and you chose to listen to bad religion. It's your own choice. But offending people in their face is wrong. I used to be like that a couple of times. I always tried to pick on stuff from the bible to my die-hard christian dad. And after a two years he just almost cried and said: I know there is a lot of stuff from the bible that is proven wrong. I read other books." And for the first time in my life I thought that maybe some people are happier believing something even if it may not be true. The main goal in life is to find happiness, not being right
Taylor Liss Guest Location: United States	Quote Hey, just thought I would say that I was second row on the left with my girlfriend. We got to sit behind Greg's relatives. I'm not sure, but I thought that Gregs father, mother, grandfather and fiance were there. I took some candid pictures of them and some awesome ones of Graffin. I also sent an email to the admin asking if he wanted my pictures for the website. In my opinion, i thought the old man with the cane was his grandfather and the man next to him was his father, the woman next to him his grandfather, and the woman next to her was his fiance. I could be wrong thou. 05/02/2008 at 22:42 Hey, just thought I would say that I was second row on the left with my girlfriend. We got to sit behind Greg's relatives. I'm not sure, but I thought that Gregs father, mother, grandfather and fiance were there. I took some candid pictures of them and some awesome ones of Graffin. I also sent an email to the admin asking if he wanted my pictures for the website. In my opinion, i thought the old man with the cane was his grandfather and the man next to him was his father, the woman next to him his grandfather, and the woman next to her was his fiance. I could be wrong thou.
Boxcar Lost Pilgrim Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 15	Quote Man, this is why I shouldn't be online when I'm half asleep. I never fucking learn. Okay, you're right, rationality is not relative. I agree, and I do believe that there is objective truth, thank you very much. Your first post sounded really aggressive. It wasn't exactly WHAT you were doing, it was the attitude that came off--it reminded me of the really annoying people on campus that try to convert you, with the whole, "I'm right, you're wrong and tell you so when you're not doing anything because I'm the one who can possibly save your soul" self-righteousness they present. Hence, the evangelist analogy. It struck a nerve and led to an extremely poor use of hyperbole on my part. Sorry, and I think I'll stop posting in order to not incriminate myself further. 05/02/2008 at 18:53 Man, this is why I shouldn't be online when I'm half asleep. I never fucking learn. Okay, you're right, rationality is not relative. I agree, and I do believe that there is objective truth, thank you very much. Your first post sounded really aggressive. It wasn't exactly WHAT you were doing, it was the attitude that came off--it reminded me of the really annoying people on campus that try to convert you, with the whole, "I'm right, you're wrong and tell you so when you're not doing anything because I'm the one who can possibly save your soul" self-righteousness they present. Hence, the evangelist analogy. It struck a nerve and led to an extremely poor use of hyperbole on my part. Sorry, and I think I'll stop posting in order to not incriminate myself further.
simian Infected Avatar Nauseam Location: Baltimore, MD Status: Offline Posts: 1155	Quote Rationality is not relative (look it up). I don't think I should even have to point this out on a board like this: the difference between an evangelist and me is that the evangelist TELLS others WHAT to think and backs that up with a threat. What I do is SHOW people HOW to think, and that leads to unraveling logical fallacies and circular reasoning. I never threaten people or call them stupid. You're not one of those "everything is true" relativists are you? 'Cause I like them even less than religious people! Where do they get the gall to say there's no objective reality? 05/02/2008 at 05:57 Rationality is not relative (look it up). I don't think I should even have to point this out on a board like this: the difference between an evangelist and me is that the evangelist TELLS others WHAT to think and backs that up with a threat. What I do is SHOW people HOW to think, and that leads to unraveling logical fallacies and circular reasoning. I never threaten people or call them stupid. You're not one of those "everything is true" relativists are you? 'Cause I like them even less than religious people! Where do they get the gall to say there's no objective reality?
Boxcar Lost Pilgrim Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 15	Quote What you consider irrational, in terms of religion, is completely relative. I forgot a phrase. 05/02/2008 at 03:37 What you consider irrational, in terms of religion, is completely relative. I forgot a phrase.
Boxcar Lost Pilgrim Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 15	Quote Simian: Trying to convince the believers that their personal beliefs are irrational--unless they confront you--makes you as bad as the evangelical theists spouting off about eternal hellfire. What you consider irrational is completely relative; you can't just attack people like that. 05/02/2008 at 03:36 Simian: Trying to convince the believers that their personal beliefs are irrational--unless they confront you--makes you as bad as the evangelical theists spouting off about eternal hellfire. What you consider irrational is completely relative; you can't just attack people like that.
simian Infected Avatar Nauseam Location: Baltimore, MD Status: Offline Posts: 1155	Quote jab, why the vague "not everyone in the band are atheist" ?? An atheist is someone who lacks a positive belief in an active god. Are you saying there may be theists in the band? And if so, why aren't they owning up to it? For me, the lyrics of Bad Religion have definitely played a role in strengthening my agnostic atheism (yes, most atheists are agnostic atheists...) I don't think we should take a neutral position toward irrational beliefs, though. I take on theists all the time and try to help them see that they're being irrational - I feel that this is the ethical thing to do. 05/02/2008 at 01:29 jab, why the vague "not everyone in the band are atheist" ?? An atheist is someone who lacks a positive belief in an active god. Are you saying there may be theists in the band? And if so, why aren't they owning up to it? For me, the lyrics of Bad Religion have definitely played a role in strengthening my agnostic atheism (yes, most atheists are agnostic atheists...) I don't think we should take a neutral position toward irrational beliefs, though. I take on theists all the time and try to help them see that they're being irrational - I feel that this is the ethical thing to do.
I ain't no vegata-bee-o Guest Location: Global Citizen	Quote interesting how Graffin is distancing himself away from the "atheist" label (he prefers to be called a naturalist). As for "BR's Message", it seems to me that they've been pretty consistent with their views toward a certain dominant religion since the days of how could hell ... maybe we can thank the current administration and the change of political climate in America for BR's more brash lyrics. 05/01/2008 at 08:32 interesting how Graffin is distancing himself away from the "atheist" label (he prefers to be called a naturalist). As for "BR's Message", it seems to me that they've been pretty consistent with their views toward a certain dominant religion since the days of how could hell ... maybe we can thank the current administration and the change of political climate in America for BR's more brash lyrics.
jab Guest Location: Azerbaijan	Quote watcho.. you'd have to be far more specific than that. to say that "lyrically most of NMOH and a lot of TESF come from a perspective that's awfully close to the kind of arrogance you speak of"... i would need to hear your interpretation. the challenge here is to disassociate the material from the perceived intent of its creator. 04/30/2008 at 22:32 watcho.. you'd have to be far more specific than that. to say that "lyrically most of NMOH and a lot of TESF come from a perspective that's awfully close to the kind of arrogance you speak of"... i would need to hear your interpretation. the challenge here is to disassociate the material from the perceived intent of its creator.
Watcho! Man With A Mission BrettOnTour #1 Supporter Status: Offline Posts: 842	Quote Jabberwock, it's terribly refreshing to hear you say that. To me BR's message has always been about idealism and a process rather than a particular dogma. Even still, I love that it's "BR's Message," rather than a pure belief shared by all of you. Still, it seems to me that lyrically most of NMOH and a lot of TESF come from a perspective that's awfully close to the kind of arrogance you speak of. That's not a jab at the songwriters, it just seems to be a predominant tone in the newer material. Do you sense something similar, maybe by a different name? 04/30/2008 at 21:19 Jabberwock, it's terribly refreshing to hear you say that. To me BR's message has always been about idealism and a process rather than a particular dogma. Even still, I love that it's "BR's Message," rather than a pure belief shared by all of you. Still, it seems to me that lyrically most of NMOH and a lot of TESF come from a perspective that's awfully close to the kind of arrogance you speak of. That's not a jab at the songwriters, it just seems to be a predominant tone in the newer material. Do you sense something similar, maybe by a different name?
AlMac Blenderhead Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Posts: 57	Quote I'm not sure if this has already been posted - in any case, it's pretty interesting: http://www.here-now.org/ shows/2008/04/ 20080425.asp (remove spaces, scroll to bottom). Graffin interview with "Here and Now". He talks about "God's Love", nihilism, and his enjoyment of asking questions and then not bothering to answer them ;). Al 04/30/2008 at 14:46 I'm not sure if this has already been posted - in any case, it's pretty interesting: http://www.here-now.org/ shows/2008/04/ 20080425.asp (remove spaces, scroll to bottom). Graffin interview with "Here and Now". He talks about "God's Love", nihilism, and his enjoyment of asking questions and then not bothering to answer them ;). Al
Catalina Guest Location: United States	Quote "Comments by jabberwock from Azerbaijan on 2008-04-29 @ 19:22 probably should have written (that includes atheist and scientist alike)... stupid apostrophes... i never know what to do with them..." Eh, apostrophes are overrated. And wait, is it Harvard who's going to have the show up, or the station that broadcasted the interview? I'm confused! 04/30/2008 at 05:36 "Comments by jabberwock from Azerbaijan on 2008-04-29 @ 19:22 probably should have written (that includes atheist and scientist alike)... stupid apostrophes... i never know what to do with them..." Eh, apostrophes are overrated. And wait, is it Harvard who's going to have the show up, or the station that broadcasted the interview? I'm confused!
EATYOURDOG Guest Location: United States	Quote DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE! That makes so much sense! 04/30/2008 at 01:53 DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE! That makes so much sense!
Banjo Infected Jay's Creditor Location: Scotland Status: Offline Posts: 1061	Quote On that note I have to say that I've noticed out of all of my friends who I've tried to get into Bad Religion, a huge majority of the people who liked the music and wanted to hear more were religious. ikillkenny, that's cool. Thanks for making the effort though. 04/29/2008 at 22:44 On that note I have to say that I've noticed out of all of my friends who I've tried to get into Bad Religion, a huge majority of the people who liked the music and wanted to hear more were religious. ikillkenny, that's cool. Thanks for making the effort though.
anechoic nebula Incomplete Status: Offline Posts: -1	Quote Comments by jabberwock from Azerbaijan on 2008-04-29 @ 19:22 probably should have written (that includes atheist and scientist alike)... stupid apostrophes... i never know what to do with them... You're not alone. 04/29/2008 at 21:15 Comments by jabberwock from Azerbaijan on 2008-04-29 @ 19:22 probably should have written (that includes atheist and scientist alike)... stupid apostrophes... i never know what to do with them... You're not alone.
ikillkenny The Devil In Stitches Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 209	Quote Hey guys, sorry I wasn't able to make it out to Harvard to record it (in the event that the show isn't actually broadcasted). I had bought tickets and was in the area, but the event I was at ran way late and ended 30 minutes after the Harvard thing ended. 04/29/2008 at 20:28 Hey guys, sorry I wasn't able to make it out to Harvard to record it (in the event that the show isn't actually broadcasted). I had bought tickets and was in the area, but the event I was at ran way late and ended 30 minutes after the Harvard thing ended.
jabberwock The Same Person jaylicious Location: right here! Status: Offline Posts: 1925	Quote probably should have written (that includes atheist and scientist alike)... stupid apostrophes... i never know what to do with them... 04/29/2008 at 19:22 probably should have written (that includes atheist and scientist alike)... stupid apostrophes... i never know what to do with them...
jabberwock The Same Person jaylicious Location: right here! Status: Offline Posts: 1925	Quote just for the record.. not everyone in the band are atheist. it's what strikes a decent moral balance. it would be too easy to just attack faith, but it's tough work to focus on the results of faith. obviously we tend to report the negative actions created when mankind arrogantly assumes superiority (that includes atheist's and scientist's too!). 04/29/2008 at 19:19 just for the record.. not everyone in the band are atheist. it's what strikes a decent moral balance. it would be too easy to just attack faith, but it's tough work to focus on the results of faith. obviously we tend to report the negative actions created when mankind arrogantly assumes superiority (that includes atheist's and scientist's too!).
Katie Incomplete Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 0	Quote anechoic nebula: Greg even said that it seemed a little "final", and joked that he'd be retiring next week. But then in all seriousness he said he hoped his greatest achievements were yet to come. EATYOURDOG: here's a tidbit about "Cease" - Greg said that the opening lines of the song had been inspired by the destruction of the forest and trees in his neighborhood as more houses were added. He explains it better than I ever could, so hopefully Harvard will have that recording of the show up soon. 04/29/2008 at 15:52 anechoic nebula: Greg even said that it seemed a little "final", and joked that he'd be retiring next week. But then in all seriousness he said he hoped his greatest achievements were yet to come. EATYOURDOG: here's a tidbit about "Cease" - Greg said that the opening lines of the song had been inspired by the destruction of the forest and trees in his neighborhood as more houses were added. He explains it better than I ever could, so hopefully Harvard will have that recording of the show up soon.
EATYOURDOG Guest Location: United States	Quote McGarnigul- Thanks so fucking much for sharing that tidbit about Beyond Electric Dreams!!! I emailed Brett about it and he never replied!!!! Thanks so much!!! 04/29/2008 at 15:19 McGarnigul- Thanks so fucking much for sharing that tidbit about Beyond Electric Dreams!!! I emailed Brett about it and he never replied!!!! Thanks so much!!!
anechoic nebula Incomplete Status: Offline Posts: -1	Quote This is pretty cool but the name Lifetime Achievement Award suggests it should be given posthumously. 04/29/2008 at 10:37 This is pretty cool but the name Lifetime Achievement Award suggests it should be given posthumously.
simian@subspecies.org Guest Location: United States	Quote WOW. If I had known this was happening I would have driven to Boston to attend. Congratufuckinglations, Greg. You've been one of my biggest role models for at least 7 years now and I couldn't be happier to see you earn this honor. Just amazing. 04/29/2008 at 04:46 WOW. If I had known this was happening I would have driven to Boston to attend. Congratufuckinglations, Greg. You've been one of my biggest role models for at least 7 years now and I couldn't be happier to see you earn this honor. Just amazing.
beatleskid7 Guest Location: United States	Quote http://youtube.com/watch?v=mwqJ7X6yOaw 04/29/2008 at 03:51 http://youtube.com/watch?v=mwqJ7X6yOaw
pcgamer58 Hippy Killer Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 189	Quote "Comments by McGarnigul from United States on 2008-04-28 @ 16:35 A couple of interesting points from the event: 1. Greg was asked what the hell "Beyond Electric Dreams" was about, and he said every year, he and Brett go backpacking through the Seirra Nevada. It's about being off the PowerGrid at 11,000 feet above sea level. 2. Greg said there was an album of acoustic Bad Religion stuff coming out next month. 3. Greg's Dad was their, an old bald man with a cain. " #2 is referring to New Maps of Hell Deluxe Edition, which has already been announced but not all the details are known aside from it will have an "Acoustic EP" with old and some new BR songs done acoustically. It is rumored that the said "new" songs are going to be off the next album. We won't know until June though... 04/28/2008 at 22:13 "Comments by McGarnigul from United States on 2008-04-28 @ 16:35 A couple of interesting points from the event: 1. Greg was asked what the hell "Beyond Electric Dreams" was about, and he said every year, he and Brett go backpacking through the Seirra Nevada. It's about being off the PowerGrid at 11,000 feet above sea level. 2. Greg said there was an album of acoustic Bad Religion stuff coming out next month. 3. Greg's Dad was their, an old bald man with a cain. " #2 is referring to New Maps of Hell Deluxe Edition, which has already been announced but not all the details are known aside from it will have an "Acoustic EP" with old and some new BR songs done acoustically. It is rumored that the said "new" songs are going to be off the next album. We won't know until June though...
Katie Incomplete Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 0	Quote Sorrow: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=bJtaPfgYFB0 Again, sorry for the crappy quality. If you search youtube for Graffin videos a few others (better ones) will pop up. I really wish I had recorded him singing "Live Again"...it's very moving when sung on just a guitar. And yeah, his dad was so cute! He was tapping his foot/clapping along to Greg's singing. I tried to capture it while filming, but it's probably too dark to see. Oh well. 04/28/2008 at 21:41 Sorrow: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=bJtaPfgYFB0 Again, sorry for the crappy quality. If you search youtube for Graffin videos a few others (better ones) will pop up. I really wish I had recorded him singing "Live Again"...it's very moving when sung on just a guitar. And yeah, his dad was so cute! He was tapping his foot/clapping along to Greg's singing. I tried to capture it while filming, but it's probably too dark to see. Oh well.
anechoic nebula Incomplete Status: Offline Posts: -1	Quote Greg was asked what the hell "Beyond Electric Dreams" was about, and he said every year, he and Brett go backpacking through the Seirra Nevada. It's about being off the PowerGrid at 11,000 feet above sea level. That makes perfect sense. 04/28/2008 at 19:41 Greg was asked what the hell "Beyond Electric Dreams" was about, and he said every year, he and Brett go backpacking through the Seirra Nevada. It's about being off the PowerGrid at 11,000 feet above sea level. That makes perfect sense.
Boxcar Lost Pilgrim Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 15	Quote Dude... did Graffin call Gurewitz a "raving atheist" in that interview thing or am I hearing things? 04/28/2008 at 19:09 Dude... did Graffin call Gurewitz a "raving atheist" in that interview thing or am I hearing things?
McGarnigul Guest Location: United States	Quote A couple of interesting points from the event: 1. Greg was asked what the hell "Beyond Electric Dreams" was about, and he said every year, he and Brett go backpacking through the Seirra Nevada. It's about being off the PowerGrid at 11,000 feet above sea level. 2. Greg said there was an album of acoustic Bad Religion stuff coming out next month. 3. Greg's Dad was their, an old bald man with a cain. 04/28/2008 at 16:35 A couple of interesting points from the event: 1. Greg was asked what the hell "Beyond Electric Dreams" was about, and he said every year, he and Brett go backpacking through the Seirra Nevada. It's about being off the PowerGrid at 11,000 feet above sea level. 2. Greg said there was an album of acoustic Bad Religion stuff coming out next month. 3. Greg's Dad was their, an old bald man with a cain.
anechoic nebula Incomplete Status: Offline Posts: -1	Quote Comments by Katie from United States on 2008-04-28 @ 05:23 I took a few videos, but none of them turned out very well (I wasn't too far back, but the lighting wasn't that great for the quality of my camera). It was a great evening, though. I was able to meet Greg afterwards....very cool guy. Could you post them anyway? 04/28/2008 at 13:23 Comments by Katie from United States on 2008-04-28 @ 05:23 I took a few videos, but none of them turned out very well (I wasn't too far back, but the lighting wasn't that great for the quality of my camera). It was a great evening, though. I was able to meet Greg afterwards....very cool guy. Could you post them anyway?
Boxcar Lost Pilgrim Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 15	Quote Katie: I've heard that they were releasing New Maps with a whole bunch of stuff on it, including some acoustic stuff. I didn't know there was going to be a whole album of it though. 04/28/2008 at 05:53 Katie: I've heard that they were releasing New Maps with a whole bunch of stuff on it, including some acoustic stuff. I didn't know there was going to be a whole album of it though.
Katie Incomplete Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 0	Quote And by the way, is there going to be an acoustic BR album released anytime soon, like Greg mentioned? Maybe I just haven't been keeping up with BR news lately, but that was new info to me. 04/28/2008 at 05:26 And by the way, is there going to be an acoustic BR album released anytime soon, like Greg mentioned? Maybe I just haven't been keeping up with BR news lately, but that was new info to me.
Katie Incomplete Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 0	Quote I took a few videos, but none of them turned out very well (I wasn't too far back, but the lighting wasn't that great for the quality of my camera). It was a great evening, though. I was able to meet Greg afterwards....very cool guy. 04/28/2008 at 05:23 I took a few videos, but none of them turned out very well (I wasn't too far back, but the lighting wasn't that great for the quality of my camera). It was a great evening, though. I was able to meet Greg afterwards....very cool guy.
Gooooser Incomplete Location: Montreal Status: Offline Posts: 5	Quote They mentionned it would be available as a web broadcast and an mp3 download from WGBH (http://www.wgbh.org/). I don't see it yet, but I would give them a couple days. Many persons were taking pictures and videos also. Overall, a very nice evening, especially the Q & A session with Greg. Songs played : Suffer, Cease, Live Again, Sorrow & the Highway 04/27/2008 at 19:41 They mentionned it would be available as a web broadcast and an mp3 download from WGBH (http://www.wgbh.org/). I don't see it yet, but I would give them a couple days. Many persons were taking pictures and videos also. Overall, a very nice evening, especially the Q & A session with Greg. Songs played : Suffer, Cease, Live Again, Sorrow & the Highway
Brett Religion The Same Person Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Posts: 1746	Quote This is pretty old news... 04/27/2008 at 00:04 This is pretty old news...
tommy Lost Pilgrim Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Posts: 37	Quote "Comments by Torbar from United States on 2008-04-26 @ 06:18 Anybody going to this? If so, please try recording it, either audio or video(obviously with audio)." hahaha, funny! 04/26/2008 at 14:45 "Comments by Torbar from United States on 2008-04-26 @ 06:18 Anybody going to this? If so, please try recording it, either audio or video(obviously with audio)." hahaha, funny!
AlMac Blenderhead Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Posts: 57	Quote The thing is, Graffin doesn't rant nonsensically about atheism. Atheism is a negative thought system, in the respect that it denies theism, however, Graffin (as we'll know) is a supporter of humanism and, predominately, naturalism. I'm quietly confident that a society within Harvard will appreciate this. Moreover,I think this award is a consequent of Graffin's thesis, immensely catalysed by BR's music - I honestly don't think BR could be praised, independently, of assisting the advocacy of intelligent atheism. Not because it has failed in that task, but because for every few astute fans, there's a bigoted anti-theist, who just wants to whine and shout. Philosophically, the strongest argumentative standpoint for dismissing religious and teleological arguments is to essentially "fix" it (viz. Hume, et al). With the institutions of faith, however, that's simply not possible - and so, atheists can only lead by example, whilst maintaining their rights and offering their arguments (like BR). 04/26/2008 at 13:45 The thing is, Graffin doesn't rant nonsensically about atheism. Atheism is a negative thought system, in the respect that it denies theism, however, Graffin (as we'll know) is a supporter of humanism and, predominately, naturalism. I'm quietly confident that a society within Harvard will appreciate this. Moreover,I think this award is a consequent of Graffin's thesis, immensely catalysed by BR's music - I honestly don't think BR could be praised, independently, of assisting the advocacy of intelligent atheism. Not because it has failed in that task, but because for every few astute fans, there's a bigoted anti-theist, who just wants to whine and shout. Philosophically, the strongest argumentative standpoint for dismissing religious and teleological arguments is to essentially "fix" it (viz. Hume, et al). With the institutions of faith, however, that's simply not possible - and so, atheists can only lead by example, whilst maintaining their rights and offering their arguments (like BR).
Danny Grier Guest Location: United States	Quote bad religion 04/26/2008 at 13:01 bad religion
aaaaaaaaa Guest Location: United States	Quote Boxcar what you said was part of the point I was making and I do want everyone to get along but by making the whole article about athiesm and making it sound superior and saying the main point of what Graffin is saying is don't believe in god is arrogant and ignorant at the same time. If you notice I put "to each his own at the end" clearly stating that I accept all forms of belief. The whole thing about calling Dethpicable an ignorant kid was his choice of language and inferred arrogance that could only come from a kid not because I don't like his beliefs. 04/26/2008 at 08:24 Boxcar what you said was part of the point I was making and I do want everyone to get along but by making the whole article about athiesm and making it sound superior and saying the main point of what Graffin is saying is don't believe in god is arrogant and ignorant at the same time. If you notice I put "to each his own at the end" clearly stating that I accept all forms of belief. The whole thing about calling Dethpicable an ignorant kid was his choice of language and inferred arrogance that could only come from a kid not because I don't like his beliefs.
HomerSapien Modern Man Location: Winnipeg, MB Status: Offline Posts: 378	Quote Ugh... I hate close-minded Athiests... Naturalism FTW!!!!1 (books ftw!1) 04/26/2008 at 07:43 Ugh... I hate close-minded Athiests... Naturalism FTW!!!!1 (books ftw!1)
torbar The Same Person Doctor of Doctored Photos Location: internets Status: Offline Posts: 1750	Quote Anybody going to this? If so, please try recording it, either audio or video(obviously with audio). 04/26/2008 at 06:18 Anybody going to this? If so, please try recording it, either audio or video(obviously with audio).
Boxcar Lost Pilgrim Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 15	Quote aaaaaaaaaa: your attitude is just as bad as the intolerant Atheists. Can't we all just get along? Fuck! And... I can't be the only one annoyed by how the music supposedly "gears" listeners towards atheism and humanism. My understanding is that it wasn't, but instead it gives the listeners who don't believe, something to relate to. Another person to show that despite what their friends think, or what the rest of the world thinks, it's okay to have a different opinion. I know it did for me. 04/26/2008 at 06:05 aaaaaaaaaa: your attitude is just as bad as the intolerant Atheists. Can't we all just get along? Fuck! And... I can't be the only one annoyed by how the music supposedly "gears" listeners towards atheism and humanism. My understanding is that it wasn't, but instead it gives the listeners who don't believe, something to relate to. Another person to show that despite what their friends think, or what the rest of the world thinks, it's okay to have a different opinion. I know it did for me.
aaaaaaaaa Guest Location: United States	Quote Thank you for proving my point always an honor to hear from such well spoken ignorant kids. 04/26/2008 at 05:16 Thank you for proving my point always an honor to hear from such well spoken ignorant kids.
Dethpicable Guest Location: United States	Quote I'm an atheist-go fuck yourself 04/26/2008 at 01:07 I'm an atheist-go fuck yourself
aaaaaaaaa Guest Location: United States	Quote This whole thing puts too much emphasis on athiesm. It sounds so damn pretentious and nothing but a slam on religious people, which I'm not but the wording just rubs me the wrong way. Also I wouldn't say that his not believing in god is the main theme of Bad Religion songs but rather encouraging people to think for themselves. Whoever wote this has their head up their ass. Athiests and religious people are just as bad as Liberals and Conservatives and this article proves that athiests are just as disgusting. I'm not trying to slam Greg, congrats to him, but I do find athiests dispicable. TO EACH HIS OWN!!! 04/26/2008 at 00:52 This whole thing puts too much emphasis on athiesm. It sounds so damn pretentious and nothing but a slam on religious people, which I'm not but the wording just rubs me the wrong way. Also I wouldn't say that his not believing in god is the main theme of Bad Religion songs but rather encouraging people to think for themselves. Whoever wote this has their head up their ass. Athiests and religious people are just as bad as Liberals and Conservatives and this article proves that athiests are just as disgusting. I'm not trying to slam Greg, congrats to him, but I do find athiests dispicable. TO EACH HIS OWN!!!
struck a nerve Incomplete Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 4	Quote This is the greates news ever. he deserves this!! 04/25/2008 at 22:41 This is the greates news ever. he deserves this!!
jjj Guest Location: Global Citizen	Quote who cares if it is a hit or not. Not important. The guy is obviously not going to be a big br fan. He is just doing his job. If i had to write report on U2 then I'm sure the fans would notice something wrong in what I said as they are not my fav band. The important thing is that it is really cool that he is recognized as an important speaker in a specific area. In my day Harvard would never do this. Its great news and well deserved!!!! congrats to Dr Graffin. 04/25/2008 at 22:38 who cares if it is a hit or not. Not important. The guy is obviously not going to be a big br fan. He is just doing his job. If i had to write report on U2 then I'm sure the fans would notice something wrong in what I said as they are not my fav band. The important thing is that it is really cool that he is recognized as an important speaker in a specific area. In my day Harvard would never do this. Its great news and well deserved!!!! congrats to Dr Graffin.
slumber Guest Location: United States	Quote why wouldnt you call "how could hell be any worse" a song? :o 04/25/2008 at 21:42 why wouldnt you call "how could hell be any worse" a song? :o
anechoic nebula Incomplete Status: Offline Posts: -1	Quote I also wouldn't call it a song, unless I'm missing something. 04/25/2008 at 20:20 I also wouldn't call it a song, unless I'm missing something.

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