I'm hoping for Ottawa (I guess in late October??), but that might get skipped over in what seems like only a month long tour which needs to cover a lot of ground. I'll make the trip to Montreal (if they don't play Ott or Mtl then I'll declare it an invalid "North American tour") but I have no idea where to go there.

I totally agree with you cuentosdepapel... I saw also Social Distortion at Teatro Flores (it was fucking amazing I must say).. that would be a good place for BR to play.. also Teatro Colegiales (it would be much better since I'm only 25 min away haha) or any small place like these ones Also I agree regarding on happened with Attaque 77 @ quilmes rock festival.. but what can I say? it's just another shitty argentinian band nowadays (I liked them years ago, but now I have no any respect for them), also agree on the big festivals thing (I guess we all do) Regards.

Last time they came i was not able to see them because of the shitty schedule of the Quilmes Rock agenda. The hilarious thing was that the fuckers from Attaque 77 played after BAD RELIGION!!! Is this some kind of joke? If you have some fucking respect for a REAL PUNK ROCK band they should have let them play at least at 7 PM. I couldn't make it to the BR show, so fucking sad. Hope they play in Teatro Flores or Colegiales, I saw Social D there and was awesome. Regarding the Brazil stuff, that's just right, they're waaaaay better in the organization of shows, here you have a couple of idiots trying to grab more money and put together bands like BR with Las Pelotas... just unbearable. cheers folks.

[quote=I Dont Belong][quote=HugeFanOfBadReligion]Is it me or does October 7th-Mid November seem like a short period of time to tour North and South America with a decent amount of shows?[/quote] The South America tour is early 2011.[/quote] Oh right, I guess when I read that I got ahead of myself and assumed the whole tour was starting in October.

[quote=HugeFanOfBadReligion]Is it me or does October 7th-Mid November seem like a short period of time to tour North and South America with a decent amount of shows?[/quote] The South America tour is early 2011.

Fuck yeah, man! I can't wait for this tour!!!

Is it me or does October 7th-Mid November seem like a short period of time to tour North and South America with a decent amount of shows?

THAT'S RIGHT. BRP and I are gonna tear it up in Chi-Town.

According to Jay in the Ask Jay thread: [quote=jabberwock] it starts on oct 7, we're in chicago on the 8th... thats about it so far. we'll probably go into mid nov, don't want to say any locations as those are always subject to change until the tour is finished [/quote]

So when do the dates get announced

Obras sanitarias no se puede usar mas para recitales segun la disposicion nueva por los vecinos. Y obvio que es mejor que toquen mas tiempo. Pero lo del horario es relativo. Y no se cual es tu garantia sinceramente que por pagar mas no te van a cagar de algun otro modo. No estoy agrediendo, solo digo que actualmente no se hacen mas los recitales como hace 3 o 4 años. Dejan mucho que desear, no extrañaria que hagan algo como el Quilmes Rock aunque pagues mas para ir al teatro Flores. Nadie aca esta a favor del Quilmes. No se porque siguen insistiendo con esa comparacion.

oh.. one more thing...on 2001 I payed TWICE the price of the ticket to see them at Obras Sanitarias.. on 2007 I just payed half of that price... was it paying TWICE worth it?? OH YES, OF COURSE IT WAS.. and I'd do it again if necessary. Do I PREFER to pay twice the price of a ticket to see that kind of show?? OF COURSE.. and I'd pay for it too nothing more to say about this disscusion.

If for beeing cheap, you all prefer to see BR at 5pm in the middle of the week in a poor festival, I feel sorry for all of you. I rather to pay 150 pesos or whatever it costs, if it means to see them as the headlining act of the show in a small place (like Obras Sanitarias 2001), without all those crappy festival bands instead of assisting to a stupid festival . It seems that you all care more about the money that you have to pay instead of the quality of the show. QUALITY OR QUANTITY? I definitely prefer QUALITY

Last time I had to fly to LA to see you. Please come to STL!!!!

It was quite cheap, actually.

[quote=mrbenja]i don't know if the "five dates in a small venue" thing was true. but i think they like playing festivals, just as they do like playing in smaller venues. What i think is that, if they would had done it in obras, the tickey would have been much more expensive and the show would have sell out, resulting in less people being able to see them. I don't exactly know their criteria to choose venues, but probably they prefer doing just one show with all people there, cheaper ticket, best pay, and free time to do some other things. and also it's always more secure to make an arragement with some big company than to do it with some beginner promoters. the quilmes rock was badly organized? yes, but not thaat much. would it have been better if they'd played in obras? probably yes. [/quote] Exacto. El bardo del Quilmes rock fue que se agregaron 20 minutos y hubo muchos que se perdieron parte del show y otros todo el show. Y mucho tiene que ver por la forma de ser del publico (no de BR sino de los que fueron al festival). Estaba estipulado 5:30 y se corrió 5:10. Mas allá que fue poco tiempo, ese fue el problema, porque es cierto que el precio fue realmente barato comparado con cualquier recital en un lugar mas chico. Y el tema de estadio abierto/cerrado es algo muy subjetivo.

i don't know if the "five dates in a small venue" thing was true. but i think they like playing festivals, just as they do like playing in smaller venues. What i think is that, if they would had done it in obras, the tickey would have been much more expensive and the show would have sell out, resulting in less people being able to see them. I don't exactly know their criteria to choose venues, but probably they prefer doing just one show with all people there, cheaper ticket, best pay, and free time to do some other things. and also it's always more secure to make an arragement with some big company than to do it with some beginner promoters. the quilmes rock was badly organized? yes, but not thaat much. would it have been better if they'd played in obras? probably yes. but don't blame the band as if they'd done something bad. you don't like it? that's okay, but respect their preferences. they're no altruistic they don't do this for you, they'd rather paddle their own canoe. this is not a tool or a simple device, no, this is the machine 15 to be precise (???)

In fact i remeber that BR was gonna play at the scheduled that ATTAQUE77 had, but they moved them. At least thats the info i had...

[quote=punkoteloco]Last time they came here ( Argentina ) the promoters treated them really bad. I mean, playing at 5pm???? WTF???? I think this time theyll come to Argentina, its called "South American Tour" and they also have a strong base fan here. Im pretty sure next year we will be enjoying a good punk BR show... Im eager to see them one more time...[/quote] The promoters didn't treat them bad, that was what they offered to Bad Religion that was what they CHOSE. BR could have refused to play at 5 p.m and play for a local promoter, but they did it for a few more dolars. According to what Mr Jones said , they had a choice to play in another place and they chose to play in a festival at 5pm It's not promoters fault, that was what the band decided

I don't know what the promoter was at that time... one thing is for sure, it would have been MUCH better than playing at 5 pm for a poor crowd in a poor festival and bad organized like that one was. It would have been in Obras Sanitarias like in 2001, or maybe in a smaller place like "teatro colegiales/flores". Any other placer would have been much better that River Plate on a wednesday at 5 pm for God sake!!!

[quote=Mr Jones]an independentet promotor offered them to do a show with Bad Religion as the headlining act[/quote] Which independent promotor? Patea? It wouldn't have been much better, sorry.

Yeah, let's just hope they get to play in a more decent place next time, and that it doesn't cost 150 pesos. Like Obras or something. I do like Obras. Or Ciudad, I'm more fond of open places.

Last time they came here ( Argentina ) the promoters treated them really bad. I mean, playing at 5pm???? WTF???? I think this time theyll come to Argentina, its called "South American Tour" and they also have a strong base fan here. Im pretty sure next year we will be enjoying a good punk BR show... Im eager to see them one more time...

[quote=Mr Jones]loco no entiendo porque bardean al chabon, el flaco tiene toda la RAZON.. Bad Religion viene cada 1 o 2 años a sudamerica ( o sea a brasil) y hacen minimo 5 shows... despues lo llaman tour sudamericano? lo que menos hacen es recorrer sudamerica... El flaco lo que quiso decir es que le re jode que lo llamen asi cuando en realidad van a un solo pais y tocan 15334 shows...y en eso le doy la mano porque es 100% verdad...despues que los organizadores y todos los q hacen shows aca son mafiosos tambien tienen todos razon... pero tampoco se nota que BR haga mucho como para hacer un tour completo.. cuando tocaron en el quilmes rock, una promotora independiente les habia ofrecido hacer un recital ellos solos (Creo que era en obras sanitarias) y como el quilmes les puso unos dolares mas no les dieron ni pelota y prefirieron tocar a las 17 hs (un horario de re mierda si los hay) y como primer banda en un festival re pedorro y que a todo el mundo que le quedaba como el orto llegar a esa hora en vez de hacer un show solitos con mucha mas gente y en un lugar mas acorde. En vez de bardear al flaco, tambien fijense que la banda tampoco hace mucho eh. Saludos[/quote] Here goes the translation for this (sorry): I don't quite understand why you talk shit about Diego when he's absolutely RIGHT, Bad Religion comes down to South America every one or two years (I mean to Brasil), and they play at least 5 shows... and they call it a "south american" tour? the least thing they do is to play in south america... what the guy tried to say is that he's pissed off about this because they go out and play 15334 shows only in one country.. and I'm with him on this because it's 100% true... I'm also with you guys when you say that the promoters and organizers that plan shows down here are gangsters , you're absolutely right about it too... but I can't feel that BR is doing something to make a complete tour... when they played at the Quilmes Rock festival, an independentet promotor offered them to do a show with Bad Religion as the headlining act (I think it was to play at the Obras Sanitarias stadium) but as the Quilmes Rock offered them a few more dolars, they preferred to play at 5 PM (a shitty hour) as the first band of the day in a shitty festival instead of playing they alone, with more crowd in a better place only for their own. Instead of talking shit about him, take a look about what the band does too. PD: Hope you guys understood my translation, it's the best I can do :D

loco no entiendo porque bardean al chabon, el flaco tiene toda la RAZON.. Bad Religion viene cada 1 o 2 años a sudamerica ( o sea a brasil) y hacen minimo 5 shows... despues lo llaman tour sudamericano? lo que menos hacen es recorrer sudamerica... El flaco lo que quiso decir es que le re jode que lo llamen asi cuando en realidad van a un solo pais y tocan 15334 shows...y en eso le doy la mano porque es 100% verdad...despues que los organizadores y todos los q hacen shows aca son mafiosos tambien tienen todos razon... pero tampoco se nota que BR haga mucho como para hacer un tour completo.. cuando tocaron en el quilmes rock, una promotora independiente les habia ofrecido hacer un recital ellos solos (Creo que era en obras sanitarias) y como el quilmes les puso unos dolares mas no les dieron ni pelota y prefirieron tocar a las 17 hs (un horario de re mierda si los hay) y como primer banda en un festival re pedorro y que a todo el mundo que le quedaba como el orto llegar a esa hora en vez de hacer un show solitos con mucha mas gente y en un lugar mas acorde. En vez de bardear al flaco, tambien fijense que la banda tampoco hace mucho eh. Saludos

[quote=phede]Para mi que planearon un tour Sudamericano y desde aca lo cagaron,[/quote] [quote=phede]Ademas deben tener una mala imagen despues del Quilmes Rock.[/quote] [quote=Translation]I think that they planned a South American tour and here the promoters ruined it,[/quote] [quote=Translation]Also they must have a pretty bad concept about the organization after the Quilmes Rock.[/quote] That's what they said that happened.

MrBenja rulz <3. But why should we put up with the shit they give us? I'd rather complain and talk shit about them than stay silent.

Hablo en castellano porque el inglés lo leo nomas. Si interpretan para el orto algunos las cosas es su problema... Yo dije que no le echen la culpa a los de Brasil por tener una organización superior. Y si, le tiro mierda, toneladas de mierda a los locales, porque la verdad son unos mafiosos de mierda que deshacen mas de lo que hacen y son pura hipocresia, muchos hablan de anticapitalismo pero actuan como lo mas interesado que hay, no los defiendan loco, son un desastre y unos corruptos.

mrbenja evidentemente sos un pelotudo que no entendió lo que se quiso decir (al igual que un par mas), en fin. Lastima que seas argentino, por mi andate a vivir a brasil

are they going to mexico?

I hope north america includes venues in Canada ;)

i don't like the [typical] argentinian either (is that the word?). they bring their personal problems as if they were everyone's matter. they are natural whiners. [but i am obviously not typical :) haha] also, i think this time they will come to argentina. i think jay said that when they played only in brazil was because they had some free time and brazilian promoters made an offer.. so it was like an unplanned tour. But this time it's more like a real tour that the band wanted to do. and don't talk shit on local promoters because without them we'd be doomed.

Catholism's more present in south america so more peaople complains against it! The band said also that South Am.'s fans are amazing... Be proud of!!

Ahhhh duh.

By the way, i think i can say that i'm pretty sure that brazil has the most solid fan base in south america... just in case. but there's always be people complaining, whining and bithin about everything... it's easier sit up on your *** and write stuff (you know what word i wanna use instead of "stuff" tip: starts with S :P) instead of actually doing stuff (this time i actually meant "stuff").. this is the same here in Brazil, like fans who lives on north who normally are complaining about bad religion always playing only on south.

[quote=Civalien]?[/quote] Brazil vs Argentina rivalrie... with some soccer in the middle

Seriously? are there some people yet complaining about bad religion coming mostly only to Brazil? I agree that South America isnt all about Brazil. If I live in one of those countries (except argentina. i'd never live anywhere close to the hell itself LOL - just FYI, *IT IS A JOKE*, dont take it serious) i'd be complaining too. But... Come on... You shouldnt blame the band themselves for not going to your country.. Why dont you call some people you know and start a huge network asking for a bad religion gig? Someone, sometime, it will reach someone with good contacts enough to bring bad religion to your town. It isn't that hard. It's all about networking and interests... The band wants to make money, you want to enjoy a good show. And a promoter wants to make money anyway... So.. Instead of complaining that they call three shows in Brazil as a South American Tour, why dont you spread the word around your local fan base? Do something. isnt just that simple but it works sometimes... as far i know, this is how and why Curitiba had BR shows most of the times they came down there. also it worked for NOFX Pennywise NFAA Social D and.. oh yeah, Face to Face...

and try to talk in english please

in 1993 Bad Religion only played in argentina

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Pelé > Maradona

Si, pero tampoco es un "insulto", habria que ver como fue la gira esa... Para mi que planearon un tour Sudamericano y desde aca lo cagaron, como pasa con bocha de bandas, no hay mucha gente que ponga guita aca, a nadie le interesa mucho, a los de Patea, que son bastante chotos y lo cagan. Ademas deben tener una mala imagen después del Quilmes Rock. Ojala sea un tour Sudamericano bien y que toquen en todos lados. Aguante Bad Religion. Es injusto pero nos tenemos que bancar que vivimos en un pais que desde conseguir discos a ver bandas asi, va para atras.

primero no le tire mierda a los brasileños.. sinceramente me importan un pito. Le tiro mierda al que se le ocurre llamar tour sudamericano a un pais, en este caso Brasil.. y lo haria si fuera con chile, bolivia, peru o cual sea si es un solo pais, el nombre me da igual

[quote=phede][quote=Diego Hosen]Hope this time a "south american" tour includes something more than just "Brazil" , oh yeah... there's a lot of countries besides this one.. maybe you remember ARGENTINA? oh yeah, you came down here twice.. so stop ignoring us like you did on the last tours and this time include us.. Brazil is just a part of south America.. not the whole fucking continent. Otherwise call it "brazilian tour" , or you're will be insulting us thinking about us like we were "brazilians" :)[/quote] Tampoco hacía falta tirarle mierda a los brasileros :s Además es muy probable que no hayan venido porque la organización local es una MIERDA. Y si, estaría bueno que nos consideren como "Sudamerica" también.[/quote] Like ZIGOTO said, it depends of the promoters...you coould ask Jay about this

Also MA. Pretty much just try to make a nice circle of shows around Newtown, CT!

[quote=Diego Hosen]Hope this time a "south american" tour includes something more than just "Brazil" , oh yeah... there's a lot of countries besides this one.. maybe you remember ARGENTINA? oh yeah, you came down here twice.. so stop ignoring us like you did on the last tours and this time include us.. Brazil is just a part of south America.. not the whole fucking continent. Otherwise call it "brazilian tour" , or you're will be insulting us thinking about us like we were "brazilians" :)[/quote] Jay said one time that this depends more on promoters tahn on the band will to play some countries. I don't Know in Argentina, but here BR have a pretty solid fan base. And please, don't start this rivalrie here.

[quote=Diego Hosen]Hope this time a "south american" tour includes something more than just "Brazil" , oh yeah... there's a lot of countries besides this one.. maybe you remember ARGENTINA? oh yeah, you came down here twice.. so stop ignoring us like you did on the last tours and this time include us.. Brazil is just a part of south America.. not the whole fucking continent. Otherwise call it "brazilian tour" , or you're will be insulting us thinking about us like we were "brazilians" :)[/quote] Tampoco hacía falta tirarle mierda a los brasileros :s Además es muy probable que no hayan venido porque la organización local es una MIERDA. Y si, estaría bueno que nos consideren como "Sudamerica" también.

Im hoping theyll come to Denver this time around.

[quote=justinrichard]NEW YORK PLEASE!!! It's been forever since I've seen you guys live![/quote] YEA! NEW YORK!!!!!! [quote=Torbar]NY, NJ, and CT please?[/quote] YEAH NEW YORK AGAIN!!!!!

I really hope they come near southern Indiana... I want a whole show, not the half hour I'm stuck with every couple of years at the Warped Tour.

NY, NJ, and CT please?

Hope this time a "south american" tour includes something more than just "Brazil" , oh yeah... there's a lot of countries besides this one.. maybe you remember ARGENTINA? oh yeah, you came down here twice.. so stop ignoring us like you did on the last tours and this time include us.. Brazil is just a part of south America.. not the whole fucking continent. Otherwise call it "brazilian tour" , or you're will be insulting us thinking about us like we were "brazilians" :)

NEW YORK PLEASE!!! It's been forever since I've seen you guys live!

New Orleans, please!

ah...I heard people talk about a N.A. tour. So it was about north america. I already thought it was strange that there was going to be another New America tour:P

Come on Detroit or Grand Rapids! You guys always stop by here so keep it coming

PLEASE COME TO NASHVILLE

I am hoping they play in Connecticut .

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Brasil!! :DD

i saw this coming. good news. but i won't get really excited until they give me the date for my city

"Finally they'll play southern california again! " haha, i know right? about time!

Yay! Nova Scotia! :D

Colombiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

South America yeah..!!! Don't forget Peru ...!!!

[b]Finally[/b] they'll play southern california again!

*The chills immediately permeate nicks body* OCTOBER?! WTF!!!! OMG! I CAN'T WAIT! NEWWWW YOOOOOORRRRKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

South America c: I'm so fucking happy.

It made my day!!

ohh my gosh, I pray they will play DC on my birthday again. ohh and I pray they wont play dc october 9th...Roger waters is playing THE WALL then....

I'm really hoping that they do a show in Toronto (what's new? LOL) in this North American tour.