Sorrow isn't a weird song at all to end with(All 5 or so Bad Religion shows I've gone to they've closed with it) and Digital Boy isn't really a weird song to start with.
IMO, best song to start a show with is Fuck Armageddon because of that long intro, or Sinister Rouge with Overture.
Best song to end with is American Jesus because of the ending they put on it live, and also it's a song almost everybody knows.

The sound was really good in front, but I've heard some people complaining about it that where standing in the back.
@Part III: please keep a spot safe from me ;), I've got a test (*tentamen*) till 17 in Groningen 0_0 really awful.
@Tommy: yep! Hij heeft inderdaad op de popacademie gezeten, maar hij studeert nu American Studies, daar ken ik 'm ook van. Als je me toevoegt op hyves kan je als het goed is wel de foto's zien.

anibody post the setlist of the first date in germany?

I have seen them both open and close with those songs multiple times, saw them open with digital boy 3 times in one week and have seen them close with sorrow quite a few times

I gotta be honest.. the sound on that fucking stage at Pinkpop was AWFUL. You could hardly hear Gregg over the loud guitars, let alone Jay en Hetson. Their voices were nowhere to be found in the mix.
Is it just me or is this ALWAYS a problem at BR shows? I mean, I saw other shows at the same stage and the backup vocals were just fine. Does BR have their own sound technician or something that regularly seems to screw up?
At least I was able to get the deluxe New Maps of Hell at the festival with the extra MySpace show DVD. If you thought their Palladium DVD was very low volume-wise, this DVD brings it to new lows. The sound is also very muffled without any high tones.
So after ripping the DVD, normalizing the volume and adding some extra high frequencies to the sound, I finally got me a nice sounding live DVD of Bad Religion.

yeah, I'll be attending the melkweg show, of course :) I'll be wearing a Part III tshirt, you cannot miss me. I'll be in front haha

hey judith, ik kan die BR foto's niet vinden. Ik zag trouwens een liedje van Thomas Mook staan. Als hij op de Popacademie in Leeuwarden zit, ken ik hem wel, toevallig

Ohyeah a few of the pics can be find on my hyves (Dutch facebook) judith1188.hyves.nl

@Part III: I was also standing in first row, at the left side of the middle. Too bad I didn't see you. As said before I made some pretty cool pics, if you want to them let me know :)
Are you going to the Amsterdam show?
And yes that deluxe version of NMOH is so cool, I love the picture with the YouDon'tBelong guy!

How awesome would Graffin look in this tshirt:

http://www.topatoco.com/ merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code= TO&Product_Code=QW-PROF&Category_Code=QW

very awesome I think.

They are the best acoustic songs I've heard in a long time.

yeah, most def. Especially the whole "Adaaammmsss, Atomsssss remains" part

Nice!

Does anyone else think Adam's Atoms sounds like an American Lesion track?

last phun phact:
Adam's Atoms is about Adam Smith. Not Bible's Adam

also a fun thing, you can hear Brett singing Wont Somebody for a bit in the acoustic sessions on the DVD

whats the bitrate?

ps. they are the entire songs.
I didnt buy a promo or something ;)

I really love the acoustic songs, its better than the two that came with the Japanese version. The artwork, and everything you get with it is better than I expected. Im globally checking the DVD now, even though I dont have the time to do so hehe. Honest Goodbye's video is just a live performance with the audio dub under it, sadly. I think thats the only think thats a bit disappointing. All in all, most definitely worth the purchase.

so is the deluxe edition everything you hoped for partIII? in terms of bad religion vocabulary and sound, how does it perform? i'm still at work and cant download it yet...are they just song previews or the entire thing?

not surprising. Brett actually heard those covers and said that most BR songs were written on piano and sounded a lot like what they did. Its due to the standard way of progressing the chords on piano.

It happens, lol.

Anyone else think BR's version of Skyscraper sounds a LOT like Stephan and Johnny's version?

Here's theirs for comparison:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1T6xhSnsIx8

it seems to be so indeed. Damnit I was singing that in the car on the way back. Why it slipped my mind, no idea. hah.

I think it's "impartially working"?

no thanks guys :)
a small thing to do in return for other BR fans hah.
anyway, I was wondering, what is the line of wont somebody?
"Wont somebody please come up with something, 'cause Jesus just dont seem to be ... working"
it sounds like imparsionedly
but that isnt a word, hah

I only pressed Submit once! :(

PartIII, thanks so much for sharing this with us. I've only listened to Won't Somebody, Adam's Atoms, Sorrow and Skyscraper, but I gotta say it's the best BR release since Process of Belief. I too was thinking they should just go acoustic only, haha. I mean, I'm really looking forward to hearing a punk version of Won't Somebody, but the acoustic is fine if they feel they're no longer able to cope with the fast-paced punk, haha.

Thanks again dude.

PartIII, thanks so much for sharing this with us. I've only listened to Won't Somebody, Adam's Atoms, Sorrow and Skyscraper, but I gotta say it's the best BR release since Process of Belief. I too was thinking they should just go acoustic only, haha. I mean, I'm really looking forward to hearing a punk version of Won't Somebody, but the acoustic is fine if they feel they're no longer able to cope with the fast-paced punk, haha.

Thanks again dude.

Ah yes, thanks to Part III!

Oh and thanks Part III for the preview ;)

Your order for New Maps Of Hell (Limited Edition Deluxe CD+DVD) - Bad Religion has been posted.

Now that's a good few tracks. Perhaps they should drop the punk pretense and become pseudo-folk singers?
Anyway, off to Play.com to buy it!

forgot to say end on C
.
btw, I love the fact that skyscraper is done on the piano. *hums along*

quickly tabbed the chords for Wont Somebody -dont shoot me if there are minor things wrong, I did this in like 2min-
.
chorus (Wont somebody please..)
Em C G Am
Em C G Am
Em C G D
Am C D
.
verse (or prechorus, depends)
Em G Am D B
Em G Am D B
.
chorus
verse
chorus
.
bridge (do a few hammer ons by the C and G chords, on your D and A string)
.
C G Am D B
.
and the main tune again
Em C G Am
Em C G Am
Em C G D
Am C D

Dude, no need to appologise, I mean, you're already doing enough for us as it is! Haha.

That's good to hear they sound better than the KROQ stuff. (b^_^)b

Here ya'll go :)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WTL577R9

I hear what yer saying. However, these version are better than the ones they played at KROQ. The new songs sound like songs that just work way better acoustically. Anyways, I'll let you decide for yourself, Im uploading it right now. It has the m4a itunes extention, Im sorry for that, I dont have the time to rip it otherwise -college duties-.

Oh yeah, PartIII, do the songs sound samey because they're acoustic? I felt the KROQ acoustic stuff where they did Infected, New Dark Ages and Dearly Beloved they all sounded good but just a bit bland, you know?

I noticed Play.com now have the album for order (Not pre-order) for ?11.99.

I am sooooo poor right now I can barely find money to eat, but I'm still tempted to buy this album even though I've got the regular version and the vinyl version! lol

Yeah I know, thats why I couldnt believe it when I saw it. The artwork is quite nice, it also has two small posters, one New Maps of Hell one and one with on one side the 80-85 cover and on the other one the picture with the guy that has the " You dont Belong" tshirt. Havent seen the DVD footage yet.

that is very cool, part III. I don't get one thing. The album comes out in July in America, right? So why do they sell it in Europe a month earlier? Every American is going to download it, I think.

I was in front, of course haha,
anyway
I have the Deluxe version of New Maps of Hell. Yeah, I have Wont Somebody, Adams Atoms and Chronophobia ' nd all. They sold it in the shop that was on the festival field. Go me. I guess more people would like to have the songs, I'll upload them when I get home, which will be in a few hours.

Who was there from here? I was there, holding a flag.. Anybody spotted me? ;) I made some pretty cool pics, anybody want them?
The setlist was quite boring, but it was really good to see them after 2 years waiting..
Next up: Amsterdam!

yeah, i was a little distracted, so sorry about the mixup.

Thanks Mike!

Infected and Social Suicide have their labels mixed, but I'm sure people can tell by the track lengths, lol.

I gotta say, this show is the best I've heard in a long time. I was having doubts about the band after hearing recent live shows, but now I'm confident things sound great again - Love Before You Die live!!

The Pinkpop show from the given source, split and converted to LAME mp3 @ 128:

http://www.bigupload.com/files/ KYUXDEC7X5/BR-Pinkpop.zip.html

I think this setlist is pretty good for a festival like this. But I would have replaced Requiem for dissent and Struck a Nerve for New America and Raise your voice

downloaded and splitting right now, I'll upload the tracks sometime tonight.

wow, back to the boring setlists now.. for fuck sake can't they even play 1 or 2 of these rare songs they did live some months ago.. I WANNA HEAR GET OFF AND DELIRIUM OF DISORDER IN SWEDEN BAD RELIGION! sorry for the whine ;(

sooo.... anyone got the unrealeased tracks yet??? on megaupload??? anything???

yeah!!!! the audio is finally working!!! I was clicking that play button the whole day without a result. you can use the link that Greg posted here below

I think the best songs to gegin the show is the grey race, fuck amargeddon and recipe for hate

ah i forgot.. they also finished that show with "Sorrow"

i think "sorrow" is not a song to end a show with.. i think is a good song for the middle of the show for the crowd to get some air for 3 or 4 minutes and then go on.. i believe "fuck armageddon.." is the BEST song to end up a show.. a great song to leave the crowd wanting more ;)
ahh something else.. why the fuck do they sometimes begin with american jesus??? last time they were here (Argentina) they started with that one.. when everybody was "cold" yet... change that guys! that?s not a song to begin a show with!!!

There are some videos on youtube (unfortunately some are not complete)

Is there a video of this anywhere? I want to see Graffin on drums.

Whoops...I didn't mean Requiem for a dream
Festivals are tiring, but you all know I meant Requiem for Dissent.

"requiem for a dream? wow! did they actually play the whole movie?
" hehe, i hope it was the uncut version. i think sorrow is a perfect song to end, it just works live, and people also know that the show is over...

They always end there shows with Sorrow (which I don't think is a great song)

Comments by tommy from Global Citizen on 2008-06-01 @ 01:26
requiem for a dream? wow! did they actually play the whole movie?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@tommy:
They didn't play it...

They re-enacted it.

requiem for a dream? wow! did they actually play the whole movie?

I think sorrow is the best song to end the show, I was hope they play a walk

http://3voor12.vpro.nl /artiesten/ artiest/63543
I think you can listen the pinpop show here

As far as I can remember they have ended shows with Sorrow before and it seems a pretty cool way to end a show with.

I saw them many times ending with sorrow (like live at the palladium)

Brook in the bathroom... head down???
weird!!

jajaj graffin in drums?? that?s weird! not the beginning or the end of the show