I Won't Say Anything sounds like an angry song.

Really hope that it's a great closer for an great album... Once again!

a like the title names: Avalon and Cyanide hopefully those songs meet its expectatinos. interestign names of WRong Way kids and "the day that the earth stalled" anyway can't wait to hear the whole recod. Devil in Stitches is a bit pop but hopefully the rest of the album will stay solid punk like the Resist Stance and Won't Somebody. All the track titles are longer that 2:00 after the 1st track like Recipe For Hate. Therefore we will expect something different from the usual fast songs we heard in the last 3 albums. I recall TESF first 4 songs were fast and quick and the same for TPOB. and NMOH. So its rational for them to make a different approach in their album. LEt's see what it brings.

Ah, ok, thank you. Well, at least it's something different to anticipate! :) Resist Stance, surprisingly, is actually longer, despite some of the time on the live recording being devoted to Greg introducing the song. I'm guessing there's a longer solo...

[quote=Kotzu]I find it interesting that the album version of Won't Somebody is 20 seconds shorter than the live recording from 30 Years Live. While this can most likely be attributed to an elimination or shortening of the "fade out", or simply a change in the intro, it could also mean they play it a tad bit faster here...a guy can hope. :P[/quote][url=http://www.thebrpage.net/news/?newsID=1837l][b]Q: Last time we spoke you mentioned Brett was working on a new intro for Won't Somebody. Did it work out? Is it different from the version on the live album?[/b][/url] [b]A[/b]: "I don't know. It just kind of is. In fact, the live album intro is different from the way we were playing it by the end of that tour. We changed it like three times during the tour. The shows at which we recorded the live record were the first 4 or 5 shows."

I find it interesting that the album version of Won't Somebody is 20 seconds shorter than the live recording from 30 Years Live. While this can most likely be attributed to an elimination or shortening of the "fade out", or simply a change in the intro, it could also mean they play it a tad bit faster here...a guy can hope. :P

I'm actually really excited to hear the new sounds that bad religion has in store. I mean it is going to sound good either way with greg on vocals, and brooks on drums, jay on bass, ect.

Thanks. That sounds very interesting. Classic rock? mmm... we'll see.

[quote=Epitaph.com][url=http://www.epitaph.com/artists/album/603/The_Dissent_Of_Man#albdesc]Source[/url] The result is one of the band’s most forward thinking and musically varied albums ever. The Dissent of Man is not only a snapshot of the band’s personal experiences of the past years but also of their continued maturity in songwriting, capturing an array of styles ranging from blazing punk rock songs like the opener “The Day That the Earth Stalled” and “Meeting of the Minds” and classic rock-tinged cuts like “Cyanide” and “Turn Your Back on Me” to radio rock ready hits like the first single “The Devil in Stitches.”[/quote] I think we can now also add [i]Turn Your Back on Me[/i] to the list of more experimental songs. Brett? [quote=Brett][url=http://www.epitaph.com/artists/album/603/The_Dissent_Of_Man#albdesc]Source[/url] These are some of my favorite songs I’ve ever written. A few of them took me way outside my comfort zone as a writer to a place I haven’t gone since Recipe or Stranger than Fiction. (...) I feel like the last couple of records have been amongst our most conservative, never straying too far from a Bad Religion sound. Whereas on this one we’re taking the songs to a lot of different places, exploring our influences and trying out some new things in a way we haven’t done in years.[/quote] OMGOMGOMG! I'm more stoked than ever after reading that statement!! However, I don't quite agree with Brett. I think that the last couple of albums do happen to feature some of the most experimental songs they've ever done: Boot Stamping, Beyond Electric Dreams... and Dearly Beloved and Prodigal Son should be setting the standards for that new BR style. [quote=Epitaph.com][url=http://www.epitaph.com/artists/album/603/The_Dissent_Of_Man#albdesc]Source[/url] As Bad Religion wraps up their 30th anniversary, they open the next chapter of their storied career with The Dissent of Man.[/quote] Yesss! Another trilogy in the making? Hehe...

3 of the last 4 albums don't have a title track. Don't know why, nor what it means. It's not important. But I like title tracks...

Jay said somewhere they wrote some of the fastest songs they've ever written... Can't wait! If they got experimental, fast and pop songs, this will be some weird album à la recipe for hate :)

[quote=Brett Religion] Cyanide might turn out to be the most experimental song. So it goes without saying I'm especially looking forward to the latter! Boot Stamping 2.0? Yay![/quote] Ooooh, please?! :)

I've just noticed they have added new combinations for their bundles on KR. You can now find the blue vinyl in many bundles and you can also just order the orange or blue vinyl separately. Hurry up with the orange one. It's only limited to a thousand copies, while the blue one is two thousand. Also, according to the extra info for the bundles (and guessing from the length of the tracks too), we can pretty much confirm that The Day That The Earth Stalled and Meeting of the Minds are classic BR fast punk rock tracks (that's for you narrow-minded kids -:PP) while Cyanide might turn out to be the most experimental song. So it goes without saying I'm especially looking forward to the latter! Boot Stamping 2.0? Yay!

I'm thinking he signs them before they ship to EU..

[quote=che sus]70 EUR :((((?? we'll Ill keep my fingers crossed. No way they can charge more than 20eur for a 35 EUR package... can they?[/quote] I should've ordered from KR-EU, but now when just ordering (1 book) made 18USD in postages VS. the 55USD postages for (hoodie+4tees+3xLP's+CD+book) from KR-US... When comparing these, shouldn't the 55USD postages have been about 300USD or so instead if I gotta pay almost another book price just to get one?? It should be cheaper for me from KR-EU but prolly the stuff gotta be shipped from the US even though at first (at least the signed A.Evol-book (if Greg ain't in EU signing 'em of course))...

70 EUR :((((?? we'll Ill keep my fingers crossed. No way they can charge more than 20eur for a 35 EUR package... can they?

[quote=che sus]Yeah I've ordered like a few dvds without problem but no larger packages.[/quote] I've gotten those 12"x12"x6" LP-boxes with stuff (LP's n' shirts mostly). So I'd guess they use 'em regulary for bigger orders.. Anyone know something else??

[quote=che sus]Ok good, now the books are back in stock. But Monolith if you have ordered before have you had to pay tax for stuff?[/quote] Yea, I've paid taxes a couple of times. Something over 70euros and you'll get to pay something over here, if I rememba correctly.. Hope I won't have to retrieve the upcoming package from the customs cuz it went up to 200USD or so... Plus, the customs got their own shitty times that they're open on the week and I have to be at work usually then.. I like much more the postal office.. -:D

According to Kings Road Merch, they shipped my copy of The Dissent of Man today. ... Of course someone messed up my order, probably they are shipping the rest of the items now and will have to send me my bundle later.

Yeah I've ordered like a few dvds without problem but no larger packages.

@Che sus: Depends on how nice Customs is feeling. They don't always charge taxes for merch from overseas. It's really just a matter of luck. I haven't had to pay taxes the few times I ordered from the US to Germany. Also, packages under a certain value (in Germany, it's 22 Euro) are exempt from taxes. But since you're probably getting one of the bundles, that probably doesn't help.

Ok good, now the books are back in stock. But Monolith if you have ordered before have you had to pay tax for stuff?

I dunno, I just checked the checkout to see how much for shipping, wich was 10$ and it said VAT was included so.. I haven't ordered anything yet.

Why didn't you get all of it from the EU site? Won't you have to pay taxes for stuff ordered from the US? Shipping was something like 8€ for me for the 3 x vinyl + the books/shirt/cd bundle[/quote] I just rushed straight forward to the US site cuz I've always ordered from there. The US store usually had all the cool stuff I wanted and the EU all the stuff I already have. Therefore KR-US. Besides, now I oughta get the US pressing of the records.. Taxes may come, but I'll get to that, later.. -:D

lol. even shippin is cheaper from US.

what the fuck is this bs with 20 euro more expensive in the euro shop????

[quote=Brett Religion]I'm sorry Groomits, but... WTF? Are you serious? Are you really expecting Brett to come here and explain to you why you might not like the song.[...][/quote] Yeah you're right. Sorry. Like I said on the other news, I was just angry, because this isn't what I expected from the new album, but hey, 13 songs left ;) and Resist Stance sounds nice. And I don't want Brett to justify himself on here, I said I'd like to see what he thinks about all those negative critics and polemic on his new song. I'm sure that if I could understand the writing process on Devil in Stitches, it would help me like it more. But I don't expect this from him and I know he owes us nothing. From now on, I'll shut my big mouth and just skip this track and be happy :)

[quote=Kavo]With the new song, "Meeting of the Minds", I just think of Mediocre Minds, but instead say "Meeting of the Minds".[/quote] haha

@Nice_Hulk: its all cool, i was jsut joking around. but the lunch money is still mine, got to make a living somehow. and here comes the M. Night Shyamalan twist: I AM THE PRINCIPLE! anyway, to keep it on topic, day two, and i still have the song in loop mode. very nice song to drive in your car on a sunny day. now i need a machine to make time go by faster.

Ordered the Orange vinyl bundle from KR-europe/UK last night. New song is great, nice to see Brett drop in here too. Very exciting!

[quote=MONOLITH]Try out KR-Europe instead.. The book "[i]only[/i]" cost me 36€(!!!) incl shipping though.. The 50$ shipping wasn't that bad from KR-US when thinking of the load that I ordered from there. I oughta get some Epitaph stuff then instead of Epitaph Europe (ref to CD&LP's).. [/quote] Why didn't you get all of it from the EU site? Won't you have to pay taxes for stuff ordered from the US? Shipping was something like 8€ for me for the 3 x vinyl + the books/shirt/cd bundle

[quote=Bossae][quote=Nice_Hulk] This has really nothing to do with James Cameron, as the new 3D technology is in full color (polarization). Old 3D would be in red and blue or red and green (anaglyph), essentially being percieved as black and white I guess.[/quote] there is always a simpson's Martin in the room... i was referring to cameron as a poster child for the current 3D hype. be prepared to get your lunch money stolen![/quote] Haha I'm sorry dude, I realize that I sounded a bit arrogant and know-it-all, which was definitely not my intention, sorry for that! And if you'll steal my lunch money I'll tell the principle! [quote=simian][quote=Marty]Negativity is contagious. So is using the "this is not punk" argument.[/quote] dude, Marty, that was so not punk to say that. >p[/quote] Hey! Don't be a non-punk!

What people need to realize is that some people like the song and others don't.

[quote=Marty]Negativity is contagious. So is using the "this is not punk" argument.[/quote] dude, Marty, that was so not punk to say that. >p

Negativity is contagious. So is using the "this is not punk" argument.

I totally agree with Brett Religion. It really amazes me to see so many negative responses. Didn't the guys say this album would be very different compared to what they have done so far? It gives me the feeling that BR is not allowed to try other things. Right now I really dig The Devil In Stitches, I like the production a lot and the artwork is okay.

I'm sorry Groomits, but... WTF? Are you serious? Are you really expecting Brett to come here and explain to you why you might not like the song. People, grow up! Are you expecting the band to release ATG or No Control every two years? Has it crossed your mind that maybe people liking this song are not only into PUNK and are appreciative of their favorite band expanding their sound and trying other things? Personally, I think the fillers on the last albums have all been courtesy of Greg but I would never expect or dare tell him to come and justify his work to us... fans sitting on a couch. I mean, come on, it's just a song!

In all the reasons I heard about why people like BR, there's no single reason that can explain someone loving this song, seriously. Maybe the lyrics...? The solo, the melody and the chords choice are lame. A palm mute bridge with no lyrics with the same chords as the verse... great time filling, wow! The chorus is far from being special.. good try on the catchy pop hook in the "ruuuUUUuuuUUuun", but it doesn't do it for me. In my Itunes, Devil in Stitches is followed by Ouverture and Sinister Rouge... God, I didn't really dig these songs before, but after a poppy and slow one, they sound really, really nice. I would really like to read Brett impressions on the negative critics, maybe it would helps us understand something we don't... Though, I really look forward for the new album and I'm hoping Brett will show us the real and only punk song writer he is.

Try out KR-Europe instead.. The book "[i]only[/i]" cost me 36€(!!!) incl shipping though.. The 50$ shipping wasn't that bad from KR-US when thinking of the load that I ordered from there. I oughta get some Epitaph stuff then instead of Epitaph Europe (ref to CD&LP's)..

Wow... Anarchy Evolution already out of stock (on KR, that is). Congratulations, Doc!!

[quote=DaymanVersusNightman]I'm not liking the length of the songs so far[/quote] Me either, and the 3 songs we've heard so far: resist stance, won't somebody (which I loved as acoustic, but it should have stayed that way) and whatever the hell this new song is...sounds like a slowwwww album

[quote=Jesse][quote=Brett Religion]ORDER3D. So STOK3D. Not listening to any leaks for the time being... Might make an exception in the next 10 seconds...[/quote]DO IT! Brett tells you to do it. You know you can't resist that! :P[/quote] Take a stance. The resist stance!

With the new song, "Meeting of the Minds", I just think of Mediocre Minds, but instead say "Meeting of the Minds".

I'm not liking the length of the songs so far

Wow the bundle with the shirt is a great deal, how much is shipping?

Yay! Fresh meat! (erm.. I mean information)

meeting of the minds looks like it will be a greg song, seems like it'll be a sick song.

[quote=Some Guy] [b]Cyanide[/b] I'm leaning Brett. I'm thinking this will be the Can't Stop It/Murder track.[/quote] Cyanide is 3:55 min long and so, the longest song of the album... I don't think it'll be the can't stop it track. Unless it's a 3:55 min fast song, which would be really cool.

true hehe

Well I hope the first song is fast... because a slow 1:23 min song would be like... weird.

Yeah lol. Though The Day That the Earth Stalled seems like the fast and short intro.

Ordered mine at midnight! Got the CD/books/shirt bundle, and the LP bundle because I decided I NEEDED three!

what happened to 50 second songs?

Is there a reason why every time I "add to cart" one of the bundles that it appears in the checkout section as the Along The Way DVD?

[quote=modern man]some of those titles sound very un-bad religion like so I'm a little worried. A lot of fairly long songs too, hopefully not to many Brett pop songs.[/quote]Not just that, but the artwork is very un-br like too, and Devil sounded very different aswell. Seems like an experimental album all the way through!

How come Europe doesn't get all of the bundles :(

Here's my guesses for who-wrote-what based soley on song titles. [b]The Day That the Earth Stalled[/b] Brett. It's a sci-fi movie reference like The Empire Strikes First. [b]Only Rain[/b] Sounds kinda poetic, which is usually Brett territory. [b]The Resist Stance[/b] Confirmed Greg. [b]Won’t Somebody[/b] Confirmed Brett [b]The Devil in Stitches[/b] Confirmed Brett [b]Pride and the Pallor[/b] Could go either way, but I'm leaning Greg [b]Wrong Way Kids[/b] For some reason, it feels more Brett... but Greg has Latchkey Kids and Hippie Killers, which sound similar in theme. So I'll go Greg for this one. [b]Meeting of the Minds[/b] Greg. Reminds me of his dissertation. [b]Someone to Believe[/b] Brett. [b]Avalon[/b] Unsure. [b]Cyanide[/b] I'm leaning Brett. I'm thinking this will be the Can't Stop It/Murder track. [b]Turn Your Back On Me[/b] Brett. [b]Ad Hominem[/b] I would be flabbergasted if this wasn't written by Greg. [b]Where The Fun Is[/b] Sound Beach Boy-esque, which points to Brett. [b]I Won’t Say Anything[/b] Sounds similar to Won't Somebody, so I'll go with Brett. [b]Finite[/b] Definitely Greg.

some of those titles sound very un-bad religion like so I'm a little worried. A lot of fairly long songs too, hopefully not to many Brett pop songs.

[quote=Nice_Hulk] This has really nothing to do with James Cameron, as the new 3D technology is in full color (polarization). Old 3D would be in red and blue or red and green (anaglyph), essentially being percieved as black and white I guess.[/quote] there is always a simpson's Martin in the room... i was referring to cameron as a poster child for the current 3D hype. be prepared to get your lunch money stolen!

The image of that guy on the cover reminds me of that [url=http://www.thebrpage.net/files/news/ed_colver_bad_religion.jpg]photo Ed Colver made in 1981 of Greg throwing a brick at a car[/url].

[quote=Bossae][quote=Marty][quote=Bossae][quote=Darwin At Work]Is the album art in 3D?[/quote]just waht i thought also, need to find my cheap coloured glasses to try it. bad religion goes avatar![/quote]I asked; here's what Brett said about it: [i]"If the album art is 3D it's unintentional. I believe the designer John Yates was going for a warhol-esque off-register print effect."[/i][/quote] ah ok. i guess that happens when you have seen more of cameron's work than andy warhol's.[/quote] This has really nothing to do with James Cameron, as the new 3D technology is in full color (polarization). Old 3D would be in red and blue or red and green (anaglyph), essentially being percieved as black and white I guess. I thought it looked like a cheap anaglyph effect too at first, but I realized that, like Brett said, it's more like when the cyan, magenta and black toners aren't properly aligned. However, one could ask why you'd use the cyan and magenta when the image is in black and white? And what happened to yellow? :P Never mind all that rabble, I LOVE THE NEW ARTWORK, IT'S EFFING AMAZING!! :D

Th Devil in Stitches is very Stranger Than Fiction/ Streetkid Named Desire. Anyone agree? But I love the album, and now even more excited. I wonder how many of these songs they'll play on tour before the album comes out?

CAN'T WAIT!!!

[quote=Marty][quote=Bossae][quote=Darwin At Work]Is the album art in 3D?[/quote]just waht i thought also, need to find my cheap coloured glasses to try it. bad religion goes avatar![/quote]I asked; here's what Brett said about it: [i]"If the album art is 3D it's unintentional. I believe the designer John Yates was going for a warhol-esque off-register print effect."[/i][/quote] ah ok. i guess that happens when you have seen more of cameron's work than andy warhol's.

[quote=Bossae][quote=Darwin At Work]Is the album art in 3D?[/quote]just waht i thought also, need to find my cheap coloured glasses to try it. bad religion goes avatar![/quote]I asked; here's what Brett said about it: [i]"If the album art is 3D it's unintentional. I believe the designer John Yates was going for a warhol-esque off-register print effect."[/i]

[quote=Darwin At Work]Is the album art in 3D?[/quote] just waht i thought also, need to find my cheap coloured glasses to try it. bad religion goes avatar!

[quote=Jesse][quote=Brett Religion]ORDER3D. So STOK3D. Not listening to any leaks for the time being... Might make an exception in the next 10 seconds...[/quote]DO IT! Brett tells you to do it. You know you can't resist that! :P[/quote] :blushes: I couldn't help it... Submission complete... Wow, just wow... I want to listen to it again and again and again (and it's already 4.31 am down here) but I don't want to get tired of it (can I really?). So proud to be a Brett fanboi when he still can deliver like this. :)

by the way, 11: Cyanide, like Metallica in Death Magnetic. curious to see.. hear.. enjoy!!

massive...

[quote=Brett Religion]ORDER3D. So STOK3D. Not listening to any leaks for the time being... Might make an exception in the next 10 seconds...[/quote]DO IT! Brett tells you to do it. You know you can't resist that! :P

ORDER3D. So STOK3D. Not listening to any leaks for the time being... Might make an exception in the next 10 seconds...

thanks for the link! where did you get that? It sounds like stranger than fiction, I liked

Thanks for the link, Torbar

Wow. I'm loving this; it's so different for a BR song; I'm liking it a lot. Hoping to hear more of these soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ-nSEy7Ck0 Devil In Stitches, johnvicious posted it in the shoutbox. Thanks john!

Yup, you got me. These are some great bundles, and I'll for sure buy them.

It's... So... pretty!

Holy fuckballs...I'm SO EXCITED for this record now. YESSSSSSS!!!! ...off to Kings Road ;)

-Ah, shite! Trouble ordering again.. Fuckin' computers!! -:D -I'm glad there's so much new stuff up, incl. books. Hope the limited TDoM shirt don't vanish before I get my order made up right!.. This is going to cost me......

[quote=Groomits]We all heard about Anarchy evolution, but the other book...? where does it come from?[/quote] It's a copy of his dissertation.

We all heard about Anarchy evolution, but the other book...? where does it come from? An other album with no title track :P And on wikipedia, about the upcoming album, they wrote : Greg Graffin : vocals, piano. I hope it's not just a little part like on fields of mars, but something really integrated to a song.

Is the album art in 3D?

well...since they ARE the best band in the world....it's okay right? They're just being honest...it's not a relative opinion- it's a scientific fact (;

Well, they must have succeeded, because I just bought: * The Dissent of Man CD, Hoodie, & Greg Graffin books $59.99 * The Dissent of Man 3-LP Bundle $39.99 * The Dissent of Man Shirt (Natural) $14.99

[quote=simian][quote]After 15 albums, Bad Religion are still inspired and the result is an album that extends Bad Religion'€™s legacy as one of the best bands in the world.[/quote] Really guys? You're okay with being called one of the best bands in the world? I mean personally, I agree... but don't you think that just sounds conceited (even if it is the merch site saying it and not the Epitaph site or badreligion.com)? I was a bit surprised to see that.[/quote] I fail at life. I meant to put my post with your quote Simian. Anyways, I think it's perfectly fine. In the liner notes of Stranger Than Fiction (I think it was that one) the band says that their goal is to be the best band in the world. So this is nothing new and I think it's perfectly fine that they feel that way about themselves (if it was indeed them saying it.

[quote]After 15 albums, Bad Religion are still inspired and the result is an album that extends Bad Religion’s legacy as one of the best bands in the world.[/quote] Really guys? You're okay with being called one of the best bands in the world? I mean personally, I agree... but don't you think that just sounds conceited (even if it is the merch site saying it and not the Epitaph site or badreligion.com)? I was a bit surprised to see that.

I, for one, welcome our new Epitaph overlords. That album art is fucking sick... just blow my brains out right now, because there is no way the music will live up to my expectations... or will it?

I just placed my order for the limited edition shirt bundle. not that bad considering you get the books.

You get the deluxe digital download if you buy any bundle. I bought orange vinyl & limited edition shirt bundle + cd.

[quote=Otto]I wonder what the first single for this album will be.[/quote] I'd guess either The Resist Stance, or Devil in Stitches.

I wonder what the first single for this album will be.

[quote=rmg512]@Torbar: Where'd the Deluxe Edition info come from? Do you know where I can preorder it?[/quote] [url]http://www.kingsroadmerch.com/bad-religion/view/bundle.asp?id=43&cid=1[/url]

[quote=rmg512]@Torbar: Where'd the Deluxe Edition info come from? Do you know where I can preorder it?[/quote] Kings Road's website.

@Torbar: Where'd the Deluxe Edition info come from? Do you know where I can preorder it?

I dunno. I want the bonus track (epically the new song and the live version of Pessimistic Lines), but at the same time I want a physical copy of the CD, not a download.

Im guessing the bonus live songs are from the HOB tour.

Here's the track listing. It appears all 16 songs that were recorded will make it onto the album(one as a bonus track) 1. The Day That the Earth Stalled – 1:23 2. Only Rain – 2:43 3. The Resist Stance – 2:32 4. Won’t Somebody – 2:42 5. The Devil in Stitches – 3:28 6. Pride and the Pallor – 2:56 7. Wrong Way Kids – 2:43 8. Meeting of the Minds – 2:06 9. Someone to Believe – 2:38 10. Avalon – 3:28 11. Cyanide – 3:55 12. Turn Your Back On Me – 2:24 13. Ad Hominem – 3:27 14. Where The Fun Is – 3:04 15. I Won’t Say Anything – 3:22 Deluxe Digital Download Tracks 1. Finite – 3:51 2. Best For You (bonus live track) 3. Pessimistic Lines (bonus live track) 4. How Much Is Enough? (bonus live track) 5. Generator (bonus live track)