[quote=Albaholic]Anyone else kinda disappointed by "Won't Somebody"? It sounds kinda bare-bones. Resist Stance was such a huge improvement from the live version, and I was expecting something similar with Won't Somebody.[/quote]
yeah i feel the exact same way, this version of WS doesn't have much energy to me. I like how the backing vocals were done in the acoustic version and they also switched up the second verse in live performances by using some palm muting which is absent here

[quote=Walk Away][quote]Yeah, TESF's ending isn't as weak as PoB's, but I still think that the last 2-3 songs are quite boring. These are of course opinions, and I think that TDoM's last 2-3 songs are better, especially Ad Hominem is brilliant. On the other hand it could be that TESF's other songs are so great that the last songs seem even weaker in comparison and that TDoM is generally not quite as good as TESF but more consistent so the last songs of the album do not stand out as weaker than others. Gotta listen to it bit more.[/quote]

I still am dumbfounded on how one can hold the opinion the last few songs were boring or not even on par with the rest of the album. Lyrically, they are superior to quite a few of the songs before them.

i.e. - Beyond Electric Dreams and Boot Stamping On A Human Face Forever, are seriously some of Bad Religion's best work. The lyrics are incredible and it's a proper experimentation I find...also, people I know who generally don't listen to BR (because the fast punk stuff to the casual listener is all the same pretty much) a lot were captivated by these songs. They are some of my favorites on the album. And Live Again (The Fall of Man) is EXACTLY what you end an album with.

I might be biased due to the fact TESF is my #1 BR album but still, I cannot even think of comparing it's ending to TPoB or TDoM...Two different levels totally.

This album is growing on me, but it won't be my favorite and it will have its moments where it seems good and bad, depending on what's going on for me. Some classic songs though.[/quote]

yeah i feel the same way, empire and process are always in my top 4 BR albums and they both end very well, loved the experimentation in both albums

Well that was sad and random.

HEY BAD Religion you guys made an album dedicated for your hatred of Pres. Bush what about this clown show Obama let me guess he is the greatest Pres. of all time.I hope u guys arent blinded by his greatness and see him as truly the worst we have ever had.

Say what you want, I love the production of empire. I think it's better than this, but I think this is definitely an improvement over maps (as far as production and what I like to hear).

I really did hope most of this album, in all bad religion discs I found at least more than 1 of those legendary songs, that sooo good, but in thisi cant found it, "The Day the Earth Stalled That" was the one who stayed in my head is very good but not legendary, unfortunately the other fell short. In my rankin this album is not even fourth. Both time and eager to listen to this album I was not disappointed but not surprised as usual. Bad Religion Rules, is my favorite band! but hopefully we get more of the good, because this album is not awesome. :(

hmm, I don't have a problem with brett's songs at all, but Greg is definitely the mvp here. His songs are just more interesting.

The only thing I don't like about the album, really, is that it sounds really conflicted on the top end. It's a bit too bright for me to listen to at a relatively loud level. The drums in particular.

[quote]Yeah, TESF's ending isn't as weak as PoB's, but I still think that the last 2-3 songs are quite boring. These are of course opinions, and I think that TDoM's last 2-3 songs are better, especially Ad Hominem is brilliant. On the other hand it could be that TESF's other songs are so great that the last songs seem even weaker in comparison and that TDoM is generally not quite as good as TESF but more consistent so the last songs of the album do not stand out as weaker than others. Gotta listen to it bit more.[/quote]

I still am dumbfounded on how one can hold the opinion the last few songs were boring or not even on par with the rest of the album. Lyrically, they are superior to quite a few of the songs before them.

i.e. - Beyond Electric Dreams and Boot Stamping On A Human Face Forever, are seriously some of Bad Religion's best work. The lyrics are incredible and it's a proper experimentation I find...also, people I know who generally don't listen to BR (because the fast punk stuff to the casual listener is all the same pretty much) a lot were captivated by these songs. They are some of my favorites on the album. And Live Again (The Fall of Man) is EXACTLY what you end an album with.

I might be biased due to the fact TESF is my #1 BR album but still, I cannot even think of comparing it's ending to TPoB or TDoM...Two different levels totally.

This album is growing on me, but it won't be my favorite and it will have its moments where it seems good and bad, depending on what's going on for me. Some classic songs though.

[quote=Guests]Joke of the day: It would be hilarious if someone would hold up a sign sayin' "This is where the fan is" in the next BR show.[/quote]

With an arrow pointing to the air conditioning.

Joke of the day: It would be hilarious if someone would hold up a sign sayin' "This is where the fan is" in the next BR show.

[quote=Walk Away]
I, to be totally honest, cannot see how TESF plummets any more, if at all, than the end of this album. PoB I agree with... Maybe we're hearing different things. The end of TESF was to me an appropriate and somewhat conclusive and satisfying ending that was in the right order of songs. TDoM was like "Ok, scramble these songs, it doesn't really matter what we end with in these last 5".
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Yeah, TESF's ending isn't as weak as PoB's, but I still think that the last 2-3 songs are quite boring. These are of course opinions, and I think that TDoM's last 2-3 songs are better, especially Ad Hominem is brilliant. On the other hand it could be that TESF's other songs are so great that the last songs seem even weaker in comparison and that TDoM is generally not quite as good as TESF but more consistent so the last songs of the album do not stand out as weaker than others. Gotta listen to it bit more.

[quote=Walk Away]
I just see from all the comments that some people love what I love and others hate what I love in this album...To each his own, and that is the beauty.
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Agreed. And both the negative and positive comments on the new album reflect the fact that BR and it's music is still important and people have really been expecting this album. With some bands that have been around for 30 years people would just be like "yeah, new album... whatever."

[quote=Guests]Someone wrote here that the band should be allowed to mature gracefully, I sort of agree. I mean, you can't expect any band to make similar albums one after another. Except maybe ACDC. If Bad Religion had come up with ten more records just like Generator some people would still be complaining because they are not changing. To me the fact that The Dissent of Man is more or less different from the previous BR albums is not automatically a bad thing. I salute them for trying to develop themselves and for experimenting on different things. It is also good to remember that they've been changing more or less ever since The Gray Race. There are brilliant songs and weaker songs on every album after TGR and each record is more or less different, TDoM is not an exception in that sense. To me it seems that The Empire Strikes First , New Maps of Hell and The Dissent of Man form a trilogy where the music of BR develops logically towards certain direction. I'm not sure if mature is the right word for that direction but it's the best that I can come up with.About TDoM itself, my first thoughts from ten-or-so listenings are that it is clearly less intense and maybe milder than NMoH but not in the dull way of the 4-5 last songs of Process of Belief. It is musically great, lyrically challenging and surprising in many ways, both good and bad. [b]It holds it's energy level throughout the album and does not plummet in the end like TESF or PoB[/b]. TDoM is definitely a solid album by Bad Religion, but whether it is punkrock or not, I'm not sure. And I really don't care. As a musical experience it is very enjoyable but I can understand why some hardcore-fans of the band won't like it. By the way, am I the only one here who loves The Pride and the Pallor? Great chorus.[/quote]

I, to be totally honest, cannot see how TESF plummets any more, if at all, than the end of this album. PoB I agree with... Maybe we're hearing different things. The end of TESF was to me an appropriate and somewhat conclusive and satisfying ending that was in the right order of songs. TDoM was like "Ok, scramble these songs, it doesn't really matter what we end with in these last 5".

In terms of a complete album experience, I felt like TDoM didn't end itself if anyone else gets what I mean.


I love a lot of tracks on this album...The Greg stuff generally became instant approved songs for me, what I kind of wanted from a BR album. I knew Brett was going to take, at least lyrically if not a bit musically (this was not a radical musical change to be honest, not like we've seen in other albums where BR went off the beaten path).

Some of the songs really have weak choruses in the lyrics, by simply repeating the same phrase over and over without giving it a whole lot of substance (If the title of the song is said more than 6 times in that song without an echo point, you might have an issue).

I like the album in that it give diversity to the discography. There are feelings and ideas that I have that match up with songs here, and that's normally how I decide to listen to music (how I feel at that point).

I just see from all the comments that some people love what I love and others hate what I love in this album...To each his own, and that is the beauty.

Definitely not as instantly-catchy as NMOH was. Most of the more personal Brett songs are awkward lyrically, however, Greg's tunes kick into maximum nerdage with its subject matter (I'm sure Resist Stance is about the dialectic of enlightenment and even wrote an interpretation about it, but forgot to fill in the spam protection... goodbye posting! Also quite ironic considering Brett was into full on Obama-hype for a time and it struck me as quite weird to be so uncritical of something, even if it came from the "right" side).

Only Rain and Resist Stance are my favorites, runner up would be Ad Hominem. I don't quite get the hype about Avalon, it's just okay in my book; I guess I would've prefered it if the second to last chord of the chord sequence in the chorus was a minor chord (I hope anybody gets what I'm trying to say). Pride And Palor is great as well, but Meeting Of The Minds has a pretty lazy chorus. When I first read the lyrics, I was sure it was gonna use the good ol' Em C G D chords (and even tried to write a suitable melody; same with Only Rain) and have a big chorus... well, not quite.

[quote=Guests]By the way, am I the only one here who loves The Pride and the Pallor? Great chorus.[/quote]
It's one of my favourites from the album.

By the way, I feel like being positive about this, for once. Overall, the album is great! The Day The Earth Stalled is a great opener, Only Rain is an absolute classic, Someone To Believe is a surprise hit, and Meeting of the Minds has that new-era Bad Religion grit that I absolutely love.

The new album contains plenty of classic BR tracks. Avalon, Pride and the Pallor, Only Rain, Resist Stance, Wrong Way Kids, I Won't Say Anything, Devil In Stitches, Turn Your Back On Me, The Day The Earth Stalled are all teriffic. The only weak tracks for me are Ad Hominem and Where The Fun Is. Thanks Greg, Brett and co. for making such fantastic music for so long. Bad Religion are the best punk band of all time by a long, long way

I listened to the record for about 10 times and i have to say it's a strong record.

sometimes it reminds me RFH just a bit faster i think. But i don't want to compare the records. i guessed that this record will be different to the last 3 albums. And i hear the right voice and i hear brilliant music and some great lyrics. at the moment i just don't like where the fun is very much but maybe it will change in the next weeks. i will see which of the songs i still want to hear in a half year or more. Some lyrics maybe aren't the best but there isn't something like the perfect album at all.

[quote=Guests]By the way, am I the only one here who loves The Pride and the Pallor? Great chorus.[/quote]

i also love this song ;)

result: for me the record is great and i just can say THANKS GUYS

HAHA thats a funny thought, can't remember who it was who said ' can u imagine brett presenting where the fun is in 1990, haha.....greg says I got this song called modern man check it out....modern man evolutionary betrayer etc, then brett....... i got this song called where the fun is check it out it has a mean chorus.....this is where the fun is, this is where the fun is......greg lookin gobsmacked.......wtf is that dude? hehehehe Finite's gd, no suprise that it's a Greg song heheh

Someone wrote here that the band should be allowed to mature gracefully, I sort of agree. I mean, you can't expect any band to make similar albums one after another. Except maybe ACDC. If Bad Religion had come up with ten more records just like Generator some people would still be complaining because they are not changing.

To me the fact that The Dissent of Man is more or less different from the previous BR albums is not automatically a bad thing. I salute them for trying to develop themselves and for experimenting on different things. It is also good to remember that they've been changing more or less ever since The Gray Race. There are brilliant songs and weaker songs on every album after TGR and each record is more or less different, TDoM is not an exception in that sense. To me it seems that The Empire Strikes First , New Maps of Hell and The Dissent of Man form a trilogy where the music of BR develops logically towards certain direction. I'm not sure if mature is the right word for that direction but it's the best that I can come up with.

About TDoM itself, my first thoughts from ten-or-so listenings are that it is clearly less intense and maybe milder than NMoH but not in the dull way of the 4-5 last songs of Process of Belief. It is musically great, lyrically challenging and surprising in many ways, both good and bad. It holds it's energy level throughout the album and does not plummet in the end like TESF or PoB. TDoM is definitely a solid album by Bad Religion, but whether it is punkrock or not, I'm not sure. And I really don't care. As a musical experience it is very enjoyable but I can understand why some hardcore-fans of the band won't like it. By the way, am I the only one here who loves The Pride and the Pallor? Great chorus.

[quote=tested][quote=Guests]Like Greg say in Turn Your Back On Me: "won't somebody tell me what the hell went wrong"I have bought every single album since Generator and I won't be buying this one. The only song I like is Resist Stance (I love Won't somebody but I had it on NMoH, so I don't consider this a new one).All I can say is No Substance is not the worst Bad Religion album anymore.[/quote]Ok, despite your low opinion of the album, shouldn't you support a band that has provided you with 20 years of good music and buy the record?[/quote]

No... An album is a product. I don't buy product that I don't consider good enough. I support BR by going to see them when they play in my town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLPb9R74AYo

Check bonus "Fenite"

[quote=Guests]Like Greg say in Turn Your Back On Me: "won't somebody tell me what the hell went wrong"


I have bought every single album since Generator and I won't be buying this one. The only song I like is Resist Stance (I love Won't somebody but I had it on NMoH, so I don't consider this a new one).

All I can say is No Substance is not the worst Bad Religion album anymore.[/quote]
Ok, despite your low opinion of the album, shouldn't you support a band that has provided you with 20 years of good music and buy the record?

[quote=Guests]"E) I'm pretty sure Bad Religion also makes their music because they want to make money and appeal to an audience. If it was just because they enjoyed it, they wouldn't be producing the music for mass consumption"

My world has been turned upside down I mean what am I to do if Bad Religion is only in it for the money and need to appeal to a mass audience, or perhaps they make their music for themselves and put it out because they can make money...enjoy bantering over this one.[/quote]
The best bands do it because they love it so much that there's no way they could do anything else, like work a day job :)

Captain Ogurcov - yeah, maybe Brett really thinks its a good song. It just kind of stands out as a song thats not up to their usual standard to me. There are some really good songs on the album though and hopefully it will grow on me with time.

Like Greg say in Turn Your Back On Me: "won't somebody tell me what the hell went wrong"


I have bought every single album since Generator and I won't be buying this one. The only song I like is Resist Stance (I love Won't somebody but I had it on NMoH, so I don't consider this a new one).

All I can say is No Substance is not the worst Bad Religion album anymore.

Captain Ogurcov - When i wrote "Could you imagine Brett presenting a song of such poor quality to Greg in 1990?" i'm refering to the QUALITY of the track, not the STYLE of the song. I would have been more than happy for I Won't Say Anything or Only Rain to have appeared 20 years ago because they are quality tracks, irrespective of their style. That's why i wrote "quality" not "style". Age, time etc has nothing to do with it so i'll ignore the second part of your message. In summary: Where The Fun Is sucks in 2010, 2000, 1990, 2040 and any other year you like. People should read posts properly before replying to them.

What the flying fuck is this, most songs are horrible and it takes a huge leap away from everything bad religion stands for.

3 opinions:
Sloppy lyrics.
Same melody building in the most songs.
Guitar sounds artificiel.

Mature = Easy and poppy lyrics, apparently.

LOL....too much to think about this "late"

"E) I'm pretty sure Bad Religion also makes their music because they want to make money and appeal to an audience. If it was just because they enjoyed it, they wouldn't be producing the music for mass consumption"

My world has been turned upside down I mean what am I to do if Bad Religion is only in it for the money and need to appeal to a mass audience, or perhaps they make their music for themselves and put it out because they can make money...enjoy bantering over this one.

[quote=Guests]why can't people just enjoy the music, this is by far one of their better albums. People keep complaining about selling out and this sounds too poppy. Why just take it for what it is a great album that is a small off shoot from what they normally do. Everybody is entitled to their opinion so I am not attacking anyone of you inparticular; Just keep in mind that BR makes music because they enjoy it not because they want your approval.[/quote]

A) If I'm not liking the sound on a few songs, then obviously I can't "just enjoy the music".

B) "This is by far one of their better albums." -- Your opinion.

C) "A great album" - Again, your opinion. I think its a solid album, but nowhere near great because it takes a huge nosedive at the end. That's MY opinion.

D) By you saying "everyone is entitled to their opinion", that should automatically wipe out the whole "why cant people just enjoy the music" thing.

E) I'm pretty sure Bad Religion also makes their music because they want to make money and appeal to an audience. If it was just because they enjoyed it, they wouldn't be producing the music for mass consumption.

[quote=Guests]why can't people just enjoy the music, this is by far one of their better albums. People keep complaining about selling out and this sounds too poppy. Why just take it for what it is a great album that is a small off shoot from what they normally do. Everybody is entitled to their opinion so I am not attacking anyone of you inparticular; Just keep in mind that BR makes music because they enjoy it not because they want your approval.[/quote]
Amen!

why can't people just enjoy the music, this is by far one of their better albums. People keep complaining about selling out and this sounds too poppy. Why just take it for what it is a great album that is a small off shoot from what they normally do. Everybody is entitled to their opinion so I am not attacking anyone of you inparticular; Just keep in mind that BR makes music because they enjoy it not because they want your approval.

[quote=JamesRiot][quote=n1ckb0n3z]
I don't quite understand what you mean. You're all over the place. But I agree, all the songs on the album are amazing. =D[/quote]
Your "WTF?!" comment seemed to be based solely on lyrics, but it's not just the lyrics that make a song sound "pop" is what I was trying to say"[/quote]

lol, When i said "idk what all this poppy shit is about" i meant "i don't know what all this talk about the songs being poppy is about" which led me to talk about the songs anesthesia and billy

Steve, you write that this record would've been better off without Brett, but include three Brett songs in your top five for the album. How does that make sense?

On the positive side i should add that Greg has never sounded so good - his voice is a wonder of nature. Also the production sounds like a major improvement over NMOH, with all the instruments sounding very clear and Gregs voice right up front. Best songs for me at the moment are Only Rain, I Won't Say Anything, Avalon, The Devil In Stitches and Meeting Of The Minds.

Would never have believed a song so bad as WhereThe Fun Is could appear on a BR album. Could you imagine Brett presenting a song of such poor quality to Greg in 1990? No, nor could i. Also the riffs on some songs remind me of songs by other bands, some of which i can't quite pin down e.g I Won't Say Anything reminds me of a Celibate Rifles track i used to listen to, whereas the opening riff to The Pride and the Pallor sounds like some Social Distortion track (Prison Bound i think). At other times BR are rehashing older BR riffs far too often and to lesser effect i.e. re-employing the riffs from Watch It Die (Ad Hominem), All There Is (verse) & I Want To Conquer The World (riff) on Wrong Way Kids; The Pride and the Pallor (verse is just like Victory), 21st Century Digital Boy (Where The Fun Is) and Germs Of Perfection (Meeting Of The Minds). Never thought i'd say it (since at his best i reckoned Brett to possibly having the edge over Greg at songwriting) but, in this case, i reckon BR would have made a much better effort without Brett. The album just doesn't sound punk enough, especially Brett's songs. In my opinion The Gray Race and No Subtance sound far more like the BR i love than this album. Imperfect as they were, you can see lots of effort went into the songwriting whereas this album sounds lazily constructed.

I've listened to it at least 6 times, but it's time for a break from it for a few days I think. Gonna listen to TESF to ease me off the BR and then just listen to whatever for a while. I don't want to taint my full appreciation with overplaying songs.

[quote=n1ckb0n3z]
I don't quite understand what you mean. You're all over the place. But I agree, all the songs on the album are amazing. =D[/quote]
Heh. Sorry, that's what happens when you try to post a coherent thought after 36hrs awake. I've had a few hours of sleep now. What I meant to say that despite dark lyrics, Brett's songs feel and sound more like pop songs. Especially on this album. I think that's where all the "Brett's all poppy" sentiment is coming from. Just listen to Cyanide. Is it an awesome song? Oh, hell yes. But it's a pop song despite the heavy nature of the lyrics. Your "WTF?!" comment seemed to be based solely on lyrics, but it's not just the lyrics that make a song sound "pop" is what I was trying to say.

Sorry for the confusion. My work schedule does weird things to my brain sometimes. All nit-picking aside, this album gets better with each replay. Maybe it's just me, but it really kicked in today, "FUCK yeah! This is a NEW Bad Religion album!"

[quote=noparadigm]Well, once again I'm gonna be the heretic in this cult, but I'm gonna say two things (saving everyone all the little but significant complaints on detail level):
1. I didn't particularly like The Empire Strikes First - now, after listening to The Dissent of Man, I think that Empire was pretty good... [/quote]

I thought the same exact thing. I actually listened to Empire in its entirety last night for the first time in years. Never liked it as much as the others (always listed it as my second least favorite BR album, only above TNA). Now, I think Empire was a much stronger effort than this. This isn't a very good album. They copied themselves musically with some riffs AND......The riff on Pride and Palor is an obvious rip off of Social Distortion's Prison Bound....Meeting of the Minds is very similar to Germs of Perfection, etc. Just uninspired. I'm really dissapointed.

Even The New America was punkier than that

After all this fuzz I just realised that it's possible for an album to be quite good and still not fit the top 10 of an artist's best albums. What an incredible band BR is! So once again thanks for these songs, can't wait to get my hands on a real copy. Maybe I'll learn to like the 5 last songs one day too.

[quote=JamesRiot][quote=n1ckb0n3z] Idk wtf all this poppy shit is about! Anesthesia and Billy are way more darker than any song Greg has ever written. You name me a dark song greg wrote and then I'll tell you an even darker one that Brett wrote. =P[/quote]

For me, it's not the lyrics that make Brett's songs really "poppy" in this album. Well...not entirely. I think it's more the actual MUSIC. I go back to Cyanide. It sounds like a Wallflowers song musically (opening riff is pretty damn close to The Difference). Not lyrically. Lyrically, the song is great. Musically, it took me a few listens. To me, that's how all of Brett's (and a few of Greg's) songs were on this album.

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I don't quite understand what you mean. You're all over the place. But I agree, all the songs on the album are amazing. =D

At the end of the day, BR can put out an album with nothing but kittens meowing and I'll love it. To me, some of the songs are a little reminiscent of Recipe for Hate, others remind me of a couple songs on NMoH. Then, there's some poppy stuff with lots of oozin ahhs. I think The Devil in Stitches is my favorite song on the album so far. With any band, not every album will be able to top it's preceeding album and I wouldn't say this is BR's worst. I like that BR took a chance to experiment. I'd say it's a good mix of the different sounds. Can't wait until the 28th!

[quote=n1ckb0n3z] Idk wtf all this poppy shit is about! Anesthesia and Billy are way more darker than any song Greg has ever written. You name me a dark song greg wrote and then I'll tell you an even darker one that Brett wrote. =P[/quote]

For me, it's not the lyrics that make Brett's songs really "poppy" in this album. Well...not entirely. I think it's more the actual MUSIC. I go back to Cyanide. It sounds like a Wallflowers song musically (opening riff is pretty damn close to The Difference). Not lyrically. Lyrically, the song is great. Musically, it took me a few listens. To me, that's how all of Brett's (and a few of Greg's) songs were on this album.

after listening for a few days, bretts songs kinda blow.

[quote=Anthro87]This album disappoints me, and I usually stand in opinion, opposed to those who have a tendency to over-analyze and pick apart recent BR songs and musical styles, make ridiculous comparisons and claims. Although I won't make any ridiuclous comparisons between this album and TNA or NS, I can honestly say, that until now those albums were my least favorite BR albums. There are a few songs I like from this album, but collectively, these songs make up an album that strays too far from past BR albums. It's definitely an experimental album, as Brett had noted a few months ago, but NOT in any way I had expected... too different for me. I'll take NMoH over this shit any day.[/quote]

I am not going to contradict my intial opinion of the album, however, I will say this: after several listens I will admit to having acquired some extent opinions. This album starts out very strong. Only Rain is a great song and is the only Brett song on the album, I believe, that not only perdures the classic BR style of the early 90's (and when I say "classic," acknowledging stylistic diversity), but which really does resemble some of the darkness of Generator. The Day The Earth Stalled is better than 52 Seconds, but I cannot say I like it better than Sinister Rouge or Supersonic. The Resist Stance, while it (and a few others as well) may be percieved by some as a "repackaging"of the passed couple of albums, is a great song, with BR written all over it. Yet, as the album progresses, so does my fading interest in it. I would like to point out Chris' comment earlier
[quote=Guests]But I find this to be an infinitely more mature album than New Maps, at least musically speaking. Let the band age gracefully. Brett's a great pop craftsman and Greg's become an unbelievably soulful singer.[/quote]

Sure, but what you have stated is unnecessarily obvious in some ways. Musically it is more mature than NMoH, although it does contain some recourse to earlier 90's BR (e.g. some of the solos in Only Rain, Avalon, and WWKids remind me a lot of I Want To Conquer, or Modern Man, for instance). BUT, I think you stray a little out of context, in terms of the band's maturity, for BR has managed to maintain a path of both "continuity and change" thoughout their entire career, maturing in different ways for different reasons, at different times. So to say this album is musically more mature than NMoH is not very revealing to the avid BR fan, and seems to miss the big picture, as each album tends to be more mature than the last for various reasons (whether musically, or lyrically, or both. The same goes for your statement about Greg's soulful singing and Brett being a excellent pop-craftsman... OF COURSE this is true... something that has been a processive part of the bands evolution all along. Finally, I must disagree with your sentiments on continuing along this path of "mellowness." I feel that once a band begins to stray too far from what they have been doing for SO long, that the band itself ceases to be the same band anymore. Now, I'm not advocating any sort of disbanding, however, a lot of bands are best to simply end it before their music begins to create a sort of directional identity crisis. This album, I believe, gives the impression of a directional-conflict, whether for one reason or another,andt I'm sorry, Bruce Springsteen may serve as a suitable influence for poppier songs, but BR HAS NEVER been The E-Street band - pointing the finger at "Cyanide" (to have to also play the role of "captain obvious" for some of you). All in all, I still remain a bit dissapointed with this album, and will take TNoH over it anyday. Yet, time will tell how much I cling to these sentiments.

[quote=Brett Religion][quote=Groomits]hey, if Greg can write his folk-country stuff alone, why not Brett?[/quote]

Yes, sure! As long as he also keeps writing poppy songs for BR, I'm fine with that![/quote]

Idk wtf all this poppy shit is about! Anesthesia and Billy are way more darker than any song Greg has ever written. You name me a dark song greg wrote and then I'll tell you an even darker one that Brett wrote. =P

After a few more listens, I'm still not that impressed. I couldn't really care less about the direction they went musically (faster, slower, folky, poppy, hardcore, whatever), I'm just not finding any song on this album that really resonates with me lyrically. There are a lot of one-liners that I like, but as others mention, nothing that's really brilliant lyrically throughout the whole song... I'd place this album above New America or No Substance (which had a couple brilliant songs among some real garbage), but below their previous 3 albums...

I actually like the slower songs on this album more... it seems like they devoted more time/thought to them, and it was probably more of a natural progression... the faster songs seem more like filler, repackaging stuff from previous albums.

I'm sure my feelings towards this album will change with time, though... seeing some of these songs played live may help, too.

OMG I love the entire album through and through. It is so good. Those preview songs did not do the album justice at all.
WOW

[quote=Groomits]hey, if Greg can write his folk-country stuff alone, why not Brett?[/quote]

Yes, sure! As long as he also keeps writing poppy songs for BR, I'm fine with that!

I´d just like to say that I am so glad, and that we are all so lucky, to have a band like Bad Religion that keeps making music and keeps pushing the envelope in terms of personal style in the midst of an outdated genre (I mean, what does punk really mean anymore anyway?) Some of the greatest bands only stick around for a couple of albums, and even then only a fraction of said albums will be worth listening to. Bad Religion has had their up´s and down´s, but they still, in my opinion, make some of the best music around.

I was in high school when The Process of Belief came out, and it was one of the greatest albums I had ever heard. I quickly bought and listened to all of their discography, loving most, not crazy about some. I felt like Empire kept up the momentum, while New Maps of Hell (while overall a decent album) stalled at times, only in comparison with the previous two albums. I´ve only listened to Dissent one time, but I really feel like they´ve successfully arrived at where they´re supposed to be at (if that makes any sense.)

I look forward to listening to Dissent over and over again once it´s released. Great job guys, and thanks again.

Only listened to it a few times, but really good first impressions!

Favorites so far include The day the earth stalled, Only Rain, The resist Stance, Devil in Stiches, Won´t somebody, somebody to belive, turn back on me and Cyanide.

I feel this is a natural direction for the band, and I´m glad not to hear "this is our fastest record yet" anymore.

[quote=Groomits]Personally, I think Brett should record a solo album and keep his poppy songs for it. Maybe he doesn't feel to write more "punk rock" music anymore. I'd be very pleased to hear some Brett solo stuff, and I'd surely buy all the album he would record. Daredevils had a nice potential of happy pop songs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining... I just had the thought : hey, if Greg can write his folk-country stuff alone, why not Brett?[/quote]

Very good idea!!! It's a great point of view about Brett stuff in this album...

Personally, I think Brett should record a solo album and keep his poppy songs for it. Maybe he doesn't feel to write more "punk rock" music anymore. I'd be very pleased to hear some Brett solo stuff, and I'd surely buy all the album he would record. Daredevils had a nice potential of happy pop songs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining... I just had the thought : hey, if Greg can write his folk-country stuff alone, why not Brett?

Initial piss-moaning: The album sounds [b]to me[/b] (I'm not presuming to tell any of you how it is) like they put Greg's American Lesion, New America, Process of Belief, and Recipe for Hate in a blender...then let Brett be a pop artist. Some songs kind of...struck me as odd. Cyanide almost floored me, but not in the best way. The opening riff sounds way too much like "The Difference" by the Wallflowers...which jarred me. But, like the rest of the album, a few listens in and I was feelin' fine. Despite that bitch session, Cyanide is shaping up to be one of my favorites on the album so far. At least from a catchy, "bob your head to" standpoint.

Okay. Initial piss-moaning out of the way. I REALLY like the album. It certainly gets better with multiple listens. I sat at work all night (graveyard shift) listening to it over and over and it really gets better and better with each listen. I think ComicSans has it right: More gender-benders than we're used to, but it's an awesome album and shows how much BR can and has grown musically. We can't expect them to be angry 16 year old punks forever.

Well after listening a few times through yesterday (at work and distracted) to a dedicated listen today during the commute...

It's actually a really strong record. A much higher percentage of genre-benders than we are used to, but very confidently done. There is less edge here, but the mellowness suits them at this point. More than any other album of theirs, I think this is a real grower, and I foresee myself appreciating it more and more on consequent listens. The vocal melodies are strong, the performances are above par and harmonies are excellent. There are some weak spots lyrically and musically towards the end but on the whole this is an interesting, well crafted album that is well produced and never feels forced.

Ultimately we all know NMoH was a "we're still punk" aberration to their current trend, and this album feels like a logical progression from the more experimental moments of Process through Empire and then the Acoustic EP.

I've listened 5 or 6 times. It's better than NMOH. Greg's songs are OK, but I can't say the same to Brett's. As he said, he was trying to write "Bruce Springsteen songs" and, as we can see, he got it! It's too much pop for a man who wrote punk masterpieces like Generator or Skyscraper... I undestrand that they are 40 years old men and they want to do something different that they were doing in 30 years, but this is not Bad Religion! The songs are beautiful anyway, but are not real Bad Religion songs... Unfortunately...

Poor little modern man thinking big ideas come from big words.

most songs don´t even sound related to anything BR ever done.

[quote=HomerSapien]Well, it turns out that I like every song that was written by Greg, and about 3 songs from Brett.

What the fuck happened, Brett?[/quote] He wants to be a pop star? lol

[quote=HomerSapien][quote=Bossae]but of course it has become a tradition since generator (?) for people to nag and bitch and whine about br, so, no surprises there from what i read here.[/quote]Because if it differs from your opinion, it's nagging, bitching, and whining. Right?[/quote]

mainly cause its plain nagging, bitching and whining, a knee jerk reaction to every album, you just need to follow the forum posts of certain individuals here, and the arrogant way they express their criticism...

[quote=Bossae]but of course it has become a tradition since generator (?) for people to nag and bitch and whine about br, so, no surprises there from what i read here.[/quote]
Because if it differs from your opinion, it's nagging, bitching, and whining. Right?

[quote=paulb]Ok, the last song on the album.....is seriously the worst song Ive ever heard Bad Religion make!!!! Seriously....what were they thinking?[/quote]

REALLY?!

CLICK ME, CLICK ME HERE [url]http://www.thebrpage.net/discography/song.asp?songID=152[/url]

[quote=Bossae]but of course it has become a tradition since generator (?) for people to nag and bitch and whine about br, so, no surprises there from what i read here.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure people didn't whine about The Process Of Belief ;)

i love the whole album and the last song especially, its a great closing song, makes you leave the album with a good peaceful vibe (kinda like weezer - island in the sun).

and the diversity of songs and melodies is just wonderful, so are the references to other songs or bands. the beginning of pride and pallor reminds me of social distortion, ad hominem - watch it die, where the fun is - no substance / song 2 / gotta get away etc...



but of course it has become a tradition since generator (?) for people to nag and bitch and whine about br, so, no surprises there from what i read here.

After a good night's sleep and a few playthroughs I like it, but it's still their worst one since TNA. Only Rain is the only Brett song I find brilliant. And even if I still think the fast opener is the best track on the album I'm not bitching about them (or Brett) dropping the punk or whatever. As a quick example Don't Pray On Me and All There Is are some of the best BR songs ever and those ain't that punk. But those aren't just catchy songs, they have perfect lyrics too (IMHO ofcourse), which I can't find here. Still think the 5 last tracks are quite bad.

Ok, the last song on the album.....is seriously the worst song Ive ever heard Bad Religion make!!!! Seriously....what were they thinking?

i have been waiting for this album for ages and i must say it has been well worth the wait. There is no song i dislike and i cant understand why so many posts here are moaning about the last 5 songs. now whens the next album out? ;)

[quote=TheMatrix31]It's a mix of Recipe For Hate and New America. Not the mix I was hoping for. I was hoping for Generator + Gray Race[/quote]

Agreed, except I'd add New Maps of Hell to the RFH and TNA mix.

[quote=Brett Religion][quote=HomerSapien]Well, it turns out that I like every song that was written by Greg, and about 3 songs from Brett.What the fuck happened, Brett?[/quote]That can only mean you're not ready for this kind of material from Brett. Try again in 5 years. :)[/quote]
...What?

[quote=HomerSapien]Well, it turns out that I like every song that was written by Greg, and about 3 songs from Brett.What the fuck happened, Brett?[/quote]

EXACTLY. I was about to post this. The end of the CD, in my opinion, just gets weak and I was not excited for the next track and seconds coming in the songs, but I was just waiting for them to end. I didn't have lyrics granted for the last two (they are up NOW), but the others I just found to be just a little plain, nothing to spark them...might just be the initial run through.

Some of these may have to grow on me, I know I need to spend a good couple of days or weeks getting into these songs, but generally speaking with BR, especially with the lyrics already on hand when I listen, I know what songs will be my go-to ones instantly. Then the others need to find their place in my favour.

[quote=HomerSapien]Well, it turns out that I like every song that was written by Greg, and about 3 songs from Brett.What the fuck happened, Brett?[/quote]

That can only mean you're not ready for this kind of material from Brett. Try again in 5 years. :)

Well, it turns out that I like every song that was written by Greg, and about 3 songs from Brett.

What the fuck happened, Brett?

[quote=Walk Away]Just fell in love with Ad Hominem, full opinion after a second listen.[/quote] fell in love with it after the first listen of the sample.

parts of cyanide sound a lot like "the watchmaker's dial" from cold as the clay to me

Gotta say, I'm not sure any of these songs resonate with me to the degree of songs on the previous 3 albums did (Lost Pilgrim, All There Is, The Defense). Maybe I just need to give it more time...

Tracks 1-10 are great but after that the album takes a pretty weak turn. I honestly have no clue what they were thinking on "I Won't Say Anything", it sounds really awkward and out of place. Also I'd have to say that the lyrics are pretty sub-par and are the weakest of any of their albums. That said I still enjoy it, but doesn't grab me like Process of Belief or New Maps of Hell. Definitely their worst album since The New America. It's also nice to see people criticizing the album. A lot of times you look at these fansite forums for bands and everyone is praising everything said band does no matter what and it's really annoying. I find the reasonable criticism a lot more interesting to read than people praising it just cuz it's different.

i just find the album (isohunt) enjoy
but icant wait to have my Lp & Cd copy

Hey Chris, THANKS a lot for participating in this site. I really URGE you to please sign up and take part in our forums.

I'm still gonna wait for my TDoM records to show up first...
I ain't that cool that I'd get to listen to the album in advance ya know.... -:D

Well I for one really hope they continue on their mellow mode for the next album as well, as opposed to a "Back to the Known" type of return to the hard punk. I'm quite certain that this album will receive some backlash by the traditional BR fans for not being "punk" enough. But I find this to be an infinitely more mature album than New Maps, at least musically speaking. Let the band age gracefully. Brett's a great pop craftsman and Greg's become an unbelievably soulful singer. Personally I'd even love an entirely acoustic album like those b sides. Let them be adults now, folks.
After two listens my favorites on the album are Only Rain (which sounds like it could've been on Recipe), Wrong Way Kids (the whoas are sooo catchy), Avalon, Cyanide (very catchy and unabashedly pop), and I Won't Say Anything. As usual it's mostly the Brett songs that stand out as my favorites.
I will admit, though, that I expected a bit more from Brett's lyrics. This is the man that wrote one of my favorite lines in any song ever: "A bitter debate and a feminine fate lie in tandem like two precious babes. While the former gets warmer it's the latter that matters, except on the nation's airwaves." Now THAT is poetry, and most of the lyrics here seem a bit pedestrian. Still, I don't mean to complain. I dig the new album and I feel it's important to voice my approval because I have no doubts that the band will receive a lot of flak from the majority of their fanbase for toning down the anger.

When the first 8 seconds of Cyanide played, I thought someone pulled a funny joke and threw The Difference by the Wallflowers on there instead.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qSAMtomFvk[/url]

I was sadly mistaken.

Avalon is middle of the pack for me. I'd definitely rank Only Rain, Won't Somebody, Ad Hominem, Cyanide and Resist Stance above it. Actually I'm starting to think Pride and the Pallor is better, too.

Still don't understand why everyone is sucking Avalon's dick. I've listened to it a dozen times and just don't see what most of you all see. IMHO it lies firmly towards near the bottom of the songs on this really good, solid album.

I cannot wipe the grin from my face! so happy listening to only a few songs(still want some surprise!). I think Graffin takes the writing prize home! Ad Hominem is classic graffin.....I cant imagine him saying anything but AD HOMINEM. YOU THINK YOUR BETTER THAN I AM!!!!??? The answer is no :)

Hmmm.

I like Only Rain, Resist Stance, Won't Somebody, Avalon, Cyanide, Ad Hominem

Somewhat indifferent about the rest.

[quote=noparadigm]Well, once again I'm gonna be the heretic in this cult, but I'm gonna say two things (saving everyone all the little but significant complaints on detail level):
1. I didn't particularly like The Empire Strikes First - now, after listening to The Dissent of Man, I think that Empire was pretty good...
2. To me this album sounds like they've taken Prodigal Son (which just so happened to be the worst song on New Maps of Hell in my opinion) and re-recorded it about 10 times, added some New America "flair" (NA being by far their worst album for my money), threw in some moderately nice/mediocre songs, and then added one to two top-notch songs on top. Oh, and the lyrics were probably written in 15 minutes alltogether...[/quote] Do you still live in angry days?

My first impression of this album is that it is very disappointing compared to other BR albums although still reasonably enjoyable. Soundwise its very similar to RFH. However, whereas that album found the band capable of knocking out memorable classics in seemingly effortless fashion, the songs on TDOM don't come close to matching up to those on RFH. I think there are a handful of decent tracks (especially Only Rain, Avalon, Meeting Of The Minds, I Won't Say Anything) and Greg is excellent throughout, but there's little of the fire or speed fans are used to e.g. Requiem For Dissent, Heaven Is Falling, Sinister Rouge). Some of Bretts contributions are very disappointing and not very punk sounding at all. I just wish Greg had written more of the songs. Also the riffs on Ad Hominem and Where The Fun Is (the latter by far the worst track to appear on a BR album) are too similar to 21st Century Digital Boy and Watch It Die respectively.

At the beginning of Someone To Believe, I keep expecting "friends call me enemy cuz they're a fucking joke!"

I wouldn't call this an experimental album. The style (and production sound) follows closely to the previous 2 albums. There's just more mid-tempo songs here. RFH (and of course ITU) are the only true experimental albums, BR has produced, in my opinion.

People don't like this album because the songs just don't resonate with them, for whatever reason. And that's fine.

Cons:
- Some songs are just "Part Two"s of others: Where The Fun Is=TESF, Meeting of the minds=Germs Of perfection
- The lyrics overall are just sub-par.

Pros:
- Only Rain, Avalon, Pride, Wrong Way, Resistance, Turn your back, Devil, I won't say.
- This albums is good enough for them to write another.

I give the album 3/5 Starbolts (the only 5 I give is for their holy trinity)

[quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Brett and Greg]This album is gonna be a bit of a departure from our usual sound[/quote][quote=noobs]This doesn't sound like Bad Religion! It is strange and different and I don't like it.[/quote][/quote]

This

Holy crap! This is definitely a BR classic. I was a little skeptical after hearing Resist Stance, but with songs like Devil in Stitches, Only Rain and Meeting of the Minds, my continued faith has been restored in Bad Religion. Still my favorite band ;)

I just caved and listened to the first minute of Avalon and its amazing. Now im leaving my computer

In my opinion TESF was a departure from their usual sound in many ways, and more so than anything else they've released. But since ive grown to love the album and feel that it is one of their most mature pieces of work, im still excited for TDoM, i just dont know how much longer i can hold out till tuesday

[quote=Albaholic]But "The Resist Stance" is possibly the best track on the album.

Anyone else kinda disappointed by "Won't Somebody"? It sounds kinda bare-bones. Resist Stance was such a huge improvement from the live version, and I was expecting something similar with Won't Somebody.[/quote]

Agreed with both things. Won't Somebody was way more calm than I expected.

[quote=Brett and Greg]This album is gonna be a bit of a departure from our usual sound[/quote]

[quote=noobs]This doesn't sound like Bad Religion! It is strange and different and I don't like it.[/quote]

I can already tell im not going to dig this album as much as i want to. I love bad religion for the music they've put out for thirty years, why would i want a different sound? Next album better be a return to their true form, Back to the Known style

This album disappoints me, and I usually stand in opinion, opposed to those who have a tendency to over-analyze and pick apart recent BR songs and musical styles, make ridiculous comparisons and claims. Although I won't make any ridiuclous comparisons between this album and TNA or NS, I can honestly say, that until now those albums were my least favorite BR albums. There are a few songs I like from this album, but collectively, these songs make up an album that strays too far from past BR albums. It's definitely an experimental album, as Brett had noted a few months ago, but NOT in any way I had expected... too different for me. I'll take NMoH over this shit any day.

It's a mix of Recipe For Hate and New America. Not the mix I was hoping for. I was hoping for Generator + Gray Race

I wasn't slagging off no substance, I happen to like that album, its lyrically superior to TDOM and less poppy, I think the songs on TNA are superior to Bretts songs on here for sure, I like TNA. I didn't get into BR for pop songs, I loved their melodic punk sound, they shouldnt be a vehicle for Brett pop hehe, he should showcase them elsewhere.

On another note, why does best buy, where i was planning on buying it the day it is released, say its estimated time of arrival is 10/5/2010?

Fuck, why did they have to stream the album. Now im tempted to listen to the whole thing a week before it comes out. Im sure ill cave and listen. Im a little nervous due to all these mixed opinions. Not the consensus i'd like to be seeing

The worst part, for me at least, is not that the latter songs are weak....but rather, those are candidates likely single(s) and will take away VALUABLE slots in live sets of the future.

[quote=modern man][quote=NoMoreExperimen]how can you all sit back and pretend the repetitious, utter shit lyrics on this album are worthy of a listen?

there are only 4 bad religion tracks on this album. im not sure what Brett had in mind, but he'd better start making a real album with an apology letter in the liner notes for good measure.

avalon and only rain prove they're still capable of writing BR music. why the refusal to do so, consistently, is beyond me.[/quote]

I agree, bretts songs are dumbed down to the max, cmon brett write your own songs, not ones you think the kids will like and buy, his songs just don't address any important issues, just sing along pop poop.

No substance= Bretts songs hehe, TNA rocks harder, never thought i'd say that of another BR album.[/quote]
Wow, everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but you have to wonder why some people bother to have them in the first place. The first major difference between this album and New America or No Substance, is that on those two, Greg tried to write pop songs, but it's not his forte (literally and figuratively) so those albums failed. On the contrary, on TDOM, Brett is showcasing his imense power-pop song writing gifts... I defy you to name a song off of NA that rocks harder than some of the Greg songs, such as meeting of the minds, and as for Brett's songs being analogous to No Substance, that's infalmatory bullshit and you know it. You don't have to like the new album, but at the very least come up with some actual reasons for disliking it!

[quote=Guests] I think tDoM is a far truer, more honest representation of the sound the band is moving towards.[/quote]

This. This is exactly it. And not only that, but I believe this shift in style will allow them even further longevity as their career progresses.

I found the download link

[quote=NoMoreExperimen]how can you all sit back and pretend the repetitious, utter shit lyrics on this album are worthy of a listen?

there are only 4 bad religion tracks on this album. im not sure what Brett had in mind, but he'd better start making a real album with an apology letter in the liner notes for good measure.

avalon and only rain prove they're still capable of writing BR music. why the refusal to do so, consistently, is beyond me.[/quote]

I agree, bretts songs are dumbed down to the max, cmon brett write your own songs, not ones you think the kids will like and buy, his songs just don't address any important issues, just sing along pop poop.

No substance= Bretts songs hehe, TNA rocks harder, never thought i'd say that of another BR album.

[quote=modern man]cyanide is a drag, 2 mins too long, skip. gregs songs are pretty gd but bretts, oh my how bad lol[/quote]
I admit, He's gone a bit more to the pop side than usual, I happen to like it... to each his own.

[quote=NoMoreExperimen]how can you all sit back and pretend the repetitious, utter shit lyrics on this album are worthy of a listen?

there are only 4 bad religion tracks on this album. im not sure what Brett had in mind, but he'd better start making a real album with an apology letter in the liner notes for good measure.

avalon and only rain prove they're still capable of writing BR music. why the refusal to do so, consistently, is beyond me.[/quote]
Wow, speaking of utter shit...

cyanide is a drag, 2 mins too long, skip. gregs songs are pretty gd but bretts, oh my how bad lol

[quote=modern man][quote=TheMatrix31]After Avalon, four of the last five (Ad Hominem being the only one) are pretty weak man....damn[/quote]

Yep, and look who wrote them, write them for the kids to sing along too Brett hehe[/quote]
I pity the fools who don't like Cyanide... now quit that jibber jabber!

how can you all sit back and pretend the repetitious, utter shit lyrics on this album are worthy of a listen?

there are only 4 bad religion tracks on this album. im not sure what Brett had in mind, but he'd better start making a real album with an apology letter in the liner notes for good measure.

avalon and only rain prove they're still capable of writing BR music. why the refusal to do so, consistently, is beyond me.

Only heard it once through, but I already love it. Definitely an improvement over New Maps. I know I might be in the minority on this issue, but I am very, very pleased to hear a lighter, poppier album. I've always LOVED the melodies and harmonies of the band, but the disparity between the beautiful pop craftsmanship and the blisteringly outdated guitar solos really irked me about New Maps. I felt like two brilliant pop songwriters were containing their style in order to please the fans of their earlier punk albums. Sorry, but people in their late 40s shouldn't be aspiring to make records that sound like No Control. Those records will always be superb but the band isn't comprised of snotty pissed off kids anymore. I think tDoM is a far truer, more honest representation of the sound the band is moving towards.
As far as the new batch of Greg and Brett songs go, I'd say they are about tied on this record. Usually I'm a MUCH bigger fan of Brett's songs, but Greg has really been evolving as a gifted songwriter. And while I'm a tad disappointed that Brett hasn't brought his A game to the lyrics (his lyrics usually run laps around Greg's), the utter perfection of a song like Wrong Way Kids (my fav on the album so far) more than makes up for it.
Very pleased with this first listen.

oh haha, cyanide , where the fun is and I won't say anything are Brett songs. I forgot to scroll up to see who wrote what. But it's funny because I always said Brett writes the hit songs

This is a really good album. and cyanide, where the fun is and I won't say anything could become very big radio hits if they choose those songs for singles.8/10 for now

Meeting of the minds- the lost NMOH Song

Amazing! A strong candidate for Best BR Album!!!

(Finally, I can choose my truly favorites: "Won't Somebody", "Pride and the Pallor", "The Day That the Earth Stalled" and mainly, "AVALON" ... anyway, it still can change.)

[quote=TheMatrix31]After Avalon, four of the last five (Ad Hominem being the only one) are pretty weak man....damn[/quote]

Yep, and look who wrote them, write them for the kids to sing along too Brett hehe

Once again, not surprised to enjoy Brett's songs more overall... particularly hooked on Wrong Way Kids right now. Whoah ohh.. whoahh ohh... whoah oh ohhhh. Love that stuff.

But "The Resist Stance" is possibly the best track on the album.

Anyone else kinda disappointed by "Won't Somebody"? It sounds kinda bare-bones. Resist Stance was such a huge improvement from the live version, and I was expecting something similar with Won't Somebody.

Gonna keep listening again and again =)

After Avalon, four of the last five (Ad Hominem being the only one) are pretty weak man....damn

Just listening to it again through some decent headphones, and I'm upgrading my rating to "Fucking Love it".

The Day That the Earth Stalled, Wrong Way Kids , Only Rain , The Devil in Stitches , Pride and the Pallor , Meeting of the Minds , Avalon , Someone to Believe, The Resist Stance are the best for me . Awesome album

Love it all mainly. Are the song credits 100%? I'm impressed with Greg if he really wrote Someone to Believe.

No you are not the only one who likes Cyanide I think its a great song but Avalon is also an AMAZING track it really grabs you by the balls .

[quote=TheMatrix31]So far, Avalon is the clear winner. Cyanide and Stitches are both shaping up to be big-time skips. Let's see what the last few songs have in store.[/quote]

Wow, i can't believe what opposite taste we must have.

Personally I really love Cyanide and i think Devil in Stitches is great, but, to me, Avalon was pretty bland on first listen.

Overall though, i'd expect some songs that i don't initially like to grow on me ( as it usually goes with a Bad Religion album) the more i listen to the tracks.

I see what they did there. Way to win again, Bad Religion.

This is the best day of the year so far for me.

As much as I like Brett's songs on this album, Greg absolutely destroyed him. Except for Only Rain. That song rivals Greg's.

Def a different sound but its so fucking good .

Ad Hominem is pure class

I am trying to work but I can´t even blink my eyes listening to the album.

Ad Hominem sounds like Watch It Die a strong bit.

Halfway through and all I can say is holy shit. This might be my new favorite BR album.

I can't wait to hear Avalon.

So far, Avalon is the clear winner. Cyanide and Stitches are both shaping up to be big-time skips. Let's see what the last few songs have in store.

nice but expensive [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/Bad-Religion-The-Devil-Stitches-promo-cd-single-/320593675118?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item4aa4df436e[/url]

I guess I have to listen more to make a solidified opinion.
I know some BR fans are bound to whine cause "it's not punk enough," or whatever. I personally LOVE the departure from the norm. It's amazing to see this band's audial-evolution over the years, and this album [for the most part] sounds really fresh.

Stand out songs for me include Only Rain, Pride and the Pallor, Someone to Believe [fucking KILLER solo], Avalon [my personal fav so far] and Ad Hominem.

Though the good outweighs the bad, some songs didn't really resonate with me. I won't be listening to Where the Fun Is very often. It reminded me too much of 21CDB. Turn Your Back on me has a nice melody, but the lyrics aren't grabbing at all. In fact, they're kind of disappointing.

Other than that, I'm excited to listen and re-listen! :]

i find a web site who you cant download (whit share link) but from russia
mail me to have the link to the website !

Haha, I just noticed the pic for this news story...

:) vive l'internet

still nothing on spotify except the devil in stitches...

So far im LOVING Day The Earth Stalled, Meeting Of The Minds, Wrong Way Kids...havent heard Avalon - the end yet...

[quote=noparadigm]2. To me this album sounds like they've taken Prodigal Son (which just so happened to be the worst song on New Maps of Hell in my opinion) and re-recorded it about 10 times[/quote]

Wow! Seriously, if that description is accurate, this might turn out out to be the best BR album ever. Prodigal Son so happens to be my favorite BR song from the last 10 or 15 years. Mind you, I haven't heard the new album yet.

PS: lol@the MySpace side comment. Did you catch my comment on the shoutbox? ;)

No links please!

[url]http://www.thebrpage.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5815[/url]

Someone make a download link? Please?

Just fell in love with Ad Hominem, full opinion after a second listen.

[quote=tested][quote=modern man]no wonder its so poor and poopy brett wrote a big slice of them, ive cancelled my order for this album, Bretts writing used to be quite complex now its dumbed down for all the 15 yr olds, totally lame, they shudda called it a day after NMOH.[/quote]Wait, there's someone out there who likes NMOH more than this record? At all?[/quote]

I do. NMoH >> TDoM.

[quote=tested][quote=modern man]no wonder its so poor and poopy brett wrote a big slice of them, ive cancelled my order for this album, Bretts writing used to be quite complex now its dumbed down for all the 15 yr olds, totally lame, they shudda called it a day after NMOH.[/quote]Wait, there's someone out there who likes NMOH more than this record? At all?[/quote]

NMOH is good but I always felt there was something lacking slightly. I don't get that impression with this album.

Just have listened to the 30sec samples yet. "Ad Hominem" it's the same of "Watch It Die" from RFH. Too many "happy songs". Not at least a "seein' red song". Didn't like too much till now...

[quote=modern man]no wonder its so poor and poopy brett wrote a big slice of them, ive cancelled my order for this album, Bretts writing used to be quite complex now its dumbed down for all the 15 yr olds, totally lame, they shudda called it a day after NMOH.[/quote]

Yawn...

some disappointing songs and some classics for me (such as cyanide, avalon, only rain)

[quote=modern man]no wonder its so poor and poopy brett wrote a big slice of them, ive cancelled my order for this album, Bretts writing used to be quite complex now its dumbed down for all the 15 yr olds, totally lame, they shudda called it a day after NMOH.[/quote]
Wait, there's someone out there who likes NMOH more than this record? At all?

I can't believe it didn't leak before now. They kept it down nicely, though I have to wonder why they care if they were going to let people listen to it for free before it came out anyway. :-Malcontented

[quote=modern man]no wonder its so poor and poopy brett wrote a big slice of them, ive cancelled my order for this album, Bretts writing used to be quite complex now its dumbed down for all the 15 yr olds, totally lame, they shudda called it a day after NMOH.[/quote]

Brett wrote 8 of the 15 songs. Big slice is a bit of an exaggeration... I wouldn't go so far as to tell them to quit. People were probably telling them the same thing when Into the Unknown, No Substance, and New America came out, but they made solid recoveries afterwards. Don't lose faith in them! :)

Meeting of Minds = better version of Germs of Perfection. On another note they just mentioned the album on the radio here.

Oh...its right there. Herp.

How do you know who wrote which songs?

Judging by one playthrough Greg slaughtered Brett on this one, all the best ones were written by Graffin. But I'm sure my opinion will change with time, at least I hope so. Too many mediocre songs at this point. On the other hand The Day the Earth Stalled is AWESOME.

WOW! so...goood......

Wow this is a great effort from Bad Religion. I really enjoy the emotion put forth in these songs on this album.

Brian's guitar is amazing in Cyanide!

theres a watcho in avalon

no wonder its so poor and poopy brett wrote a big slice of them, ive cancelled my order for this album, Bretts writing used to be quite complex now its dumbed down for all the 15 yr olds, totally lame, they shudda called it a day after NMOH.

Great album! It sounds amazing!!!

FUCKING AWESOME.

Fuck, i love it!

Ugh, doesn't sound promising to my ears... those vocal melodies they're doing nowadays just aren't very good.

Well, once again I'm gonna be the heretic in this cult, but I'm gonna say two things (saving everyone all the little but significant complaints on detail level):
1. I didn't particularly like The Empire Strikes First - now, after listening to The Dissent of Man, I think that Empire was pretty good...
2. To me this album sounds like they've taken Prodigal Son (which just so happened to be the worst song on New Maps of Hell in my opinion) and re-recorded it about 10 times, added some New America "flair" (NA being by far their worst album for my money), threw in some moderately nice/mediocre songs, and then added one to two top-notch songs on top. Oh, and the lyrics were probably written in 15 minutes alltogether...

Only Rain and Avalon..... shit fucking awesome!

avalon is so good

can't wait to listen!