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Found that other "Watcho!" yet people?.... btw.. [b]I[/b]'ve spent more cash on BR than anybody...

I should deserve a true north copy right now. I've spent about $ 1000 in BR products, among cd's, vinyls, t-shirts and concerts. Further, I'm honest enough not to leak it! RIOT!

I knew it!

[quote=jabberwock][quote=SOLDSHORT][quote=Groomits][quote=Brett Religion]How come you haven't heard it yet, Groomits??? j/k :p[/quote]I know right? Soldshort and me will soon start TheRealBRPage.net and have our copies too. I have no knowledge in website design, but I think Geocities will do the trick.... [small]Edited by Groomits[/small][/quote]uh... you mean when you get YOUR copy... yeah..[/quote]shhhhhhhhhhhh.. he doesn't need to know he's the only one![/quote]need to make him feel special somehow

[quote=SOLDSHORT][quote=Groomits][quote=Brett Religion]How come you haven't heard it yet, Groomits??? j/k :p[/quote]I know right? Soldshort and me will soon start TheRealBRPage.net and have our copies too. I have no knowledge in website design, but I think Geocities will do the trick.... [small]Edited by Groomits[/small][/quote]uh... you mean when you get YOUR copy... yeah..[/quote]shhhhhhhhhhhh.. he doesn't need to know he's the only one!

[quote=Groomits][quote=Brett Religion]How come you haven't heard it yet, Groomits??? j/k :p[/quote]I know right? Soldshort and me will soon start TheRealBRPage.net and have our copies too. I have no knowledge in website design, but I think Geocities will do the trick.... [small]Edited by Groomits[/small][/quote]uh... you mean when you get YOUR copy... yeah..

[quote=Groomits][quote=Brett Religion]How come you haven't heard it yet, Groomits??? j/k :p[/quote]I know right? Soldshort and me will soon start TheRealBRPage.net and have our copies too. I have no knowledge in website design, but I think Geocities will do the trick.... [small]Edited by Groomits[/small][/quote]thebrpage.net > therealbrpage.net > theoriginalbrpage.net > theofficialbrpage.net > thebrpageclassic.net > thejudeanpeoplesfront.net > theunauthorizedbrpage.net

[quote=Brett Religion]How come you haven't heard it yet, Groomits??? j/k :p[/quote]I know right? Soldshort and me will soon start TheRealBRPage.net and have our copies too. I have no knowledge in website design, but I think Geocities will do the trick.... [small]Edited by Groomits[/small]

Don't make me point at the sign

tap tap tap

Surface dweller

-fishtank

Sounds like you have a hard on for both [small]Edited by SOLDSHORT[/small]

[quote=Banjo][quote=Bad Brett]It's rather simple. They do it just to be able to blow guys off. All the attention makes them feel powerful. And then they whine about how shitty it is to be so popular.[/quote]That's really distressing you think that way.[/quote]Lol yeah. And I think it's really distressing that they're actually are people that believe that the 18 year old girls making out with eachother in the middle of the dance floor don't like the attention. But of course they won't admit that, just like the admins here won't admit the smugness in their review. :)

Fuck You and True North because those are the official singles. Probably one or two other songs as I don't expect them to change the setlist that much. During the last tours they also played only 3-4 songs of TDOM.

How come you haven't heard it yet, Groomits??? j/k :p

I haven't heard it yet, but I'm pretty sure Dept of False hope is one of them. It's one the singles, it's catchy, melodic and Graffin doesn't have to hit any high notes, especially if they play it 1/2 tone lower... and it's got a long solo (for a 2:40 song) so more than enough for Graffin to rest his voice :P [small]Edited by Groomits[/small]

So those of you who have heard the album already, which songs do you think they will be playing live? Of course it's impossible to know for sure, but what do you think?

How is Fuck You faster than True North?

[quote=nropevolI][quote=Marty]GROUP HUG[/quote]at least some of us still have something to look forward to. This is going to be the best week ever![/quote]Oh yeah! Pity those who already has the record and won't have an exiting week waiting for it to come out and listen to it for the first time! Not having that anymore must be tough...

[quote=Marty]GROUP HUG[/quote]not yet! there is another sentence that is very annoying! "Note: Reviews are personal, so feel free to disagree!" How am I supposed to do that?! It feels like she has delicious ice cream and she asks me "how is your ice cream?"And I don't have ice cream! now let's get back to fighting LOL at least some of us still have something to look forward to. This is going to be the best week ever!

GROUP HUG

[quote=Groomits][quote=Banjo] Without being too crude, is English your first language Groomits?[/quote]No it's not. And yes, I lack vocabulary haha.[quote=Jesse]]And you obviously don't know me. I'm not very active here[...][/quote]Obviously Jesse I don't know you. How could I? if you're not very active. I'm not that active either. I've been here since 2006 and don't have that many posts or points or whatever. But you don't know me either. I'm not an ass, except maybe for Soldshort. I was trying to portay something that bothered me. Maybe I was rude, but like you said, I don't know you, so don't take it personally. That said, since I'm the only one who thinks there's something wrong, I'll just shut up about it and I apologize to anyone I might have offended. Honestly. Now who's sending me a leak?..... jk[/quote]I think that's it. It's a misunderstanding. I can't accept your apology on Jesse's behalf, but I really appreciate you doing so. I would also like to personally apologize to you because I did not realize sooner that you may not speak English as well as some others here and may have misread or misinterpreted the line.

OMG YOU'RE SOLDSHORT? I knew it

[quote=Banjo] Without being too crude, is English your first language Groomits?[/quote]No it's not. And yes, I lack vocabulary haha.[quote=Jesse]]And you obviously don't know me. I'm not very active here[...][/quote]Obviously Jesse I don't know you. How could I? if you're not very active. I'm not that active either. I've been here since 2006 and don't have that many posts or points or whatever. But you don't know me either. I'm not an ass, except maybe for Soldshort. I was trying to portay something that bothered me. Maybe I was rude, but like you said, I don't know you, so don't take it personally. That said, since I'm the only one who thinks there's something wrong, I'll just shut up about it and I apologize to anyone I might have offended. Honestly. Now who's sending me a leak?..... jk

[quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=denningmike]Thanks guys, for sharing the review. It is cool to hear others' thoughts to prepare you for the first listen. I hope a copy leaks soon, since I have already bought mine. I think it is awese that the Admins have earns the trust and respect of the band and/or epitaph to listen to it prematurely. There is no bragging, just preparation of things to come. The whole execution of the idea was very tasteful and professional. Kudos to you guys![/quote]This guy gets it.[/quote]The leak!? (KIDDING.)

[quote=denningmike]Thanks guys, for sharing the review. It is cool to hear others' thoughts to prepare you for the first listen. I hope a copy leaks soon, since I have already bought mine. I think it is awese that the Admins have earns the trust and respect of the band and/or epitaph to listen to it prematurely. There is no bragging, just preparation of things to come. The whole execution of the idea was very tasteful and professional. Kudos to you guys![/quote]This guy gets it.

Thanks guys, for sharing the review. It is cool to hear others' thoughts to prepare you for the first listen. I hope a copy leaks soon, since I have already bought mine. I think it is awese that the Admins have earns the trust and respect of the band and/or epitaph to listen to it prematurely. There is no bragging, just preparation of things to come. The whole execution of the idea was very tasteful and professional. Kudos to you guys!

[quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Groomits] The problem is that some people [s]are not able to hide this condescending feeling[/s] [b]see condescension where there is none [/b] [/quote][/quote]This!

[quote=Brett Religion]Banjo, what does Groomits's English have anything to do with the discussion. Yes, it does sound rude. If he's not a native speaker, at least he's still making the effort to communicate in that language. Plus, I don't see anything wrong in that last message (I'm not a native speaker either, but...) [small]Edited by Brett Religion[/small][/quote]Sorry, I felt bad when I wrote that post because I suddenly thought that seeing as how this is a pretty multicultural site that maybe Groomit had misread what Jesse said with that line or thought it meant something else.

This website is totally like Robin Hood in reverse

[quote=Brett Religion][quote=n1ckb0n3z][quote=Jesse][quote=n1ckb0n3z] I still want to know what song includes the cowbell though haha.[/quote]Hello Cruel World :)[/quote] I have high hopes for Hello Cruel World more than anything else on the album![/quote]That should be "Dharma and the Bomb" actually.[/quote]Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I heard that the guy who wrote Anesthesia sings the lead vocals in that song.

[quote=Groomits] The problem is that some people [s]are not able to hide this condescending feeling[/s] [b]see condescension where there is none [/b] [/quote]

[quote=loggamatt]So for those who are attacking the people who have copies I would say this: They got copies because they've been working hard creating a good online Bad Religion community and deserve copies. You work hard, you get your rewards.[/quote]Scroll down, that is not actually the reason lol (although it should... for future releases), but nice moral to the story anyway heh

Banjo, what does Groomits's English have anything to do with the discussion. Yes, it does sound rude. If he's not a native speaker, at least he's still making the effort to communicate in that language. Plus, I don't see anything wrong in that last message (I'm not a native speaker either, but...) [small]Edited by Brett Religion[/small]

Is it possible that a lot of fans are just going slightly mental right now because they're so desperate to hear the album? And are taking this out unfairly on those who have the album who they're jealous of? It seems it's a bit like when a junkie is desperate for his fix... he may do/say things that he wouldn't ordinarily do. For example, to those with copies of the album already I want to scream "YOU ASSHOLES!!! GIVE ME THE ALBUM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!" due to my current level of desperation to hear it, frustration that I can't, and jealousy of those who can. However, when not gripped by the psychosis of Bad Religion addiction I can accept that this would be a completely unfair and irrational thing to say. So for those who are attacking the people who have copies I would say this: They got copies because they've been working hard creating a good online Bad Religion community and deserve copies. You work hard, you get your rewards. For those who have copies and are being attacked I would say this: Enjoy it, but please do try to accept that the rest of us are going mental here not being able to hear it... and may therefore be posting slightly out of character and unfair things! That's my opinion anyway! :-)

[quote=Marty][quote=Anti-][quote=Brett Religion]Also, who said the band really wanted those demos to leak in the first place?[/quote]Oh, right... But there was some talks about the demos between the band and admins and they said it's okay to share, right? I don't remember anymore.[/quote]Talk yes, Ok no.[/quote]Ok.

[quote=Groomits]Guys, it's just obvious that some people take pride in having information that others don't but desperately want to have (in that case, the new album). It gives a feeling of superiority. It's basic human nature. The problem is that some people are not able to hide this condescending feeling, even though they wouldn't want it to show. That's where it hurts. And the fact that they can't admit it is just annoying.[/quote]If Jesse has a feeling of "superiority" as you say, she has been able to hide it from me definitely.[quote=Groomits] To Anti- who said "I think you need to be really jealous to the admins about hearing the album in advance to read that line in the way you do.", Yes, some of us are jealous. I don't see what's wrong. It's kind of normal in this context. We're all big fans. [/quote]Nothing wrong with being jealous. But acting taking ones jealousy on others isn't.[quote=Groomits] I wouldn't envy Jesse so much if it wasn't for the review and that line.[/quote]It's a review of an Bad Religion album written by a Bad Religion fan posted to a Bad Religion fan site. There's nothing unusual about it. [small]Edited by Anti-[/small]

SOLDSHORT that's post of the year so far.

[quote=Groomits]Guys, it's just obvious that some people take pride in having information that others don't but desperately want to have (in that case, the new album). It gives a feeling of superiority. It's basic human nature.[/quote]And you obviously don't know me. I'm not very active here (at least not in the spotlight, but rather in the background doing other stuff) and now because of one single line I'm portrayed as being arrogant. So I guess I just should stop posting stuff? No more scoops, no more news? Is that what you want? If you think you can do it better....run your own website.

Dude lets boycott the website since the bastards wouldn't give us the album via pm which has been proven to be the most secure way of leaking an album. Groomits let's start with you. You me and everyone else who's so mad about this. Lets never come back. I'm gonna start my own BR page where I can post hand interpreted videos of all new bad religion songs. [small]Edited by SOLDSHORT[/small]

You're trying to make her feel bad for not sending you a copy. It'll be on Isohunt in like 10 days. Cool it, and stop taking your impatience out on others like that.

Wow. Jesse being described like that is the most ridiculous thing. I've never once seen anything ever resembling any kind of ego from Jesse and Marty ever. You're being ridiculous. Without being too crude, is English your first language Groomits?

Guys, it's just obvious that some people take pride in having information that others don't but desperately want to have (in that case, the new album). It gives a feeling of superiority. It's basic human nature. The problem is that some people are not able to hide this condescending feeling, even though they wouldn't want it to show. That's where it hurts. And the fact that they can't admit it is just annoying. To Anti- who said "I think you need to be really jealous to the admins about hearing the album in advance to read that line in the way you do.", Yes, some of us are jealous. I don't see what's wrong. It's kind of normal in this context. We're all big fans. I wouldn't envy Jesse so much if it wasn't for the review and that line.

[quote=Anti-][quote=Brett Religion]Also, who said the band really wanted those demos to leak in the first place?[/quote]Oh, right... But there was some talks about the demos between the band and admins and they said it's okay to share, right? I don't remember anymore.[/quote]Talk yes, Ok no.

[quote=Brett Religion] Also, who said the band really wanted those demos to leak in the first place anyway? [small]Edited by Brett Religion[/small][/quote]Oh, right... But there was some talks about the demos between the band and admins and they said it's okay to share, right? I don't remember anymore.

Thanks for the review, even more excited now. Also, thanks for all the kickass work you all do. Us BR fans should be happy we have a place to 'gather' at all, and the fact that you all are privy to an early copy is a testament to your trustworthiness and good work. Again, thanks.

If someone hasn't heard those freaking demos by now, he/she just isn't a big BR fan, as simple as that (and so there's no real point in listening to them since only big fans would be able to appreciate them anyway). It's the only conclusion I can jump to. Not talking about you in particular, satan, mind you. Also, who said the band really wanted those demos to leak in the first place anyway? [small]Edited by Brett Religion[/small]

[quote=satanlives]Instead you chose to float how you have album and [b]others have to search leak for nothing. It has pretty bad tone doesn't it.[/b][/quote] So the line that you are referring to is this: "Those who can't wait have been searching the Internet for a leaked version of the album, still without success" There's no gloating there... That statement is true. I've been (and so have many others) searching for a leak for over a month without success. I think you need to be really jealous to the admins about hearing the album in advance to read that line in the way you do.[quote=satanlives][quote=Anti-]They are available... Just check Youtube.[/quote]Yeah, I know. Someone nice shared them with me while there was thread about them. However it kind of felt bad that they were such big secret and lot of people probably never got them.[/quote]So far I've seen few people around here asking for the demos and I believe someone has always given a link. And again... You are a fan and want to hear everything by the band...? Do some searching on Google and you shall find these demos.[quote=satanlives]And BR instructed not to spread the demos? Wow, I kind of think they were better than that.[/quote]Uff... Nothing is ever enough to fans it seems. The band gives us fans demos that were never meant to be published knowing that they'll end up on Youtube eventually. Once they do, the band doesn't fight to take them down. But that's not good enough...? Hell, they even gave fans a live album for free just couple of years ago. I just don't know anymore... It's like people expect their idols to bend over to their fans nowadays. [small]Edited by Anti-[/small]

[quote=Anti-]When and where did anyone "float" about having the album? Really... Give me quote.[/quote]My point was:[quote=satanlives]Instead you chose to float how you have album and [b]others have to search leak for nothing. It has pretty bad tone doesn't it.[/b][/quote][quote=Anti-]They are available... Just check Youtube.[/quote]Yeah, I know. Someone nice shared them with me while there was thread about them. However it kind of felt bad that they were such big secret and lot of people probably never got them. And BR instructed not to spread the demos? Wow, I kind of think they were better than that.

[quote=satanlives]How about just telling people that Epitaph gave you copy for review and you can't share it with anyone?[/quote]Well isn't it pretty obvious that they can't (or rather shouldn't) share it?[quote=satanlives] It's understandable to respect Epitaph by not leaking it. [/quote]Exactly! The fact that some people don't get this is just unbelievable.[quote=satanlives]Instead you chose to float how you have album and others have to search leak for nothing. It has pretty bad tone doesn't it. [/quote]When and where did anyone "float" about having the album? Really... Give me quote.[quote=satanlives] Another thing that n1ckb0n3z said about leaking demos. Why shouldn't they be made available to anyone who likes the band? [/quote]They are available... Just check Youtube.[quote=SOLDSHORT]You should stop validating douches by responding. [/quote]You are probably right. Just couldn't help myself when people bitch and moan to the very same people who work hard to keep this site up and working. And I'm not saying there's no criticism allowed, but I see absolutely no reason to complain about the review. [small]Edited by Anti-[/small]

You should stop validating douches by responding.

oh grow up people... the people taking care of the biggest br fan page get a a copy of the album, big surprise, like you can not figure that out for yourselves! and now jesse was so nice to write a review that doesnt sound like an advertisement by someone who didnt even listen to the album, like many other reviews taht pop up now. there is no entitlement for a leak and if you get something for free (demos), dont ask about the fineprint... there will be a reason for it.

[quote=satanlives]How about just telling people that Epitaph gave you copy for review and you can't share it with anyone? [/quote]My copy wasn't given by Epitaph. The copy just came with specific instructions "do not share." So reviewing is ok, but I shouldn't have made it apparent that I have a copy??? [quote]Another thing that n1ckb0n3z said about leaking demos. Why shouldn't they be made available to anyone who likes the band?[/quote]That's easy, because of specific instructions from the band. Maybe a lot of people don't realize it, but these days thebrpage has responsibilities that we never had in the past. We can't just start throwing things out there without thinking about the consequences for the band or the label.

[quote=Jesse]The reason why I've added that particular line is to prevent being bombarded by PMs. If you don't like it that's fine, that's your opinion[/quote]How about just telling people that Epitaph gave you copy for review and you can't share it with anyone? It's understandable to respect Epitaph by not leaking it. Instead you chose to float how you have album and others have to search leak for nothing. It has pretty bad tone doesn't it. Another thing that n1ckb0n3z said about leaking demos. Why shouldn't they be made available to anyone who likes the band? [small]Edited by satanlives[/small]

Gotta say, I agree with Atzlan.

I've waited a while before posting a review, because I wasn't sure how Epitaph would feel about that. When the first reviews in magazines started to appear I decided to put some time in writing a review. The reason why I've added that particular line is to prevent being bombarded by PMs. If you don't like it that's fine, that's your opinion.[quote=Groomits] I'm pretty sure it wasn't what Jesse wanted to do.[/quote] Then drop it. This whole discussion about nothing is taking the fun out of doing this work.

My thoughts, after reading all the posts. Not sharing the album might make sense. But being a tease about having a copy doesn't. There is just something that feels wrong with this attitude. I'm pretty sure it wasn't what Jesse wanted to do. But that's what it looks like. ''Since reviews of True North are already starting to appear in magazines, who are we to not also put our review out there.'' Just adding this line makes it sounds like you were searching for a good excuse to post your own review. And it's not a very good one... You expect magazines to issue reviews, and they don't focus on a fan's community in particular, and they don't tease because the reader can't listen to it....

Thanks for the review, Jesse!

[quote=frank420]I just hope it leaks before january 19th ... Because that day I am leaving for 10 days in the woods ... I was kinda hoping to be able to listen to the album while I will be there :D[/quote]It should. According to amazon.de it will be released in Germany on January 18th. (Albums are released on Fridays in Germany)

[quote=n1ckb0n3z][quote=Jesse][quote=n1ckb0n3z] I still want to know what song includes the cowbell though haha.[/quote]Hello Cruel World :)[/quote] I have high hopes for Hello Cruel World more than anything else on the album![/quote]That should be "Dharma and the Bomb" actually.

I only listened to Dept of False Hope three times and I already have the catchy chorus memorized.

[quote=Jesse][quote=n1ckb0n3z] I still want to know what song includes the cowbell though haha.[/quote]Hello Cruel World :)[/quote] I have high hopes for Hello Cruel World more than anything else on the album!

[quote=Gravastars]Bad Brett, would you describe yourself as a 'nice guy' by any chance?[/quote]www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=914 Sadly the hilarious "Nice guys of OK Cupid" Tumblr seems to have been taken down. :(

[quote=n1ckb0n3z] I still want to know what song includes the cowbell though haha.[/quote]Hello Cruel World :)

The admins [i]did[/i] private message select BRPage members the unreleased BR demos that included the instant favorite, Hole in the Ship. I don't think they are trying to show how superior they are to other fans. I think that if it wasn't for someone leaking the demos, I probably would have heard True North by now. However, I am very thankful for these reviews because it's something to hold me over for two more weeks. Not only that, but I already heard 3 songs from the album! I still want to know what song includes the cowbell though haha. [small]Edited by n1ckb0n3z[/small]

Your description of Hello Cruel World reminded me a lot like The Truth.

Lolz... I think bad Brett and warstub should have a contest about who bitches the most. I'd say BB has the lead since that's 90% of his posts but I feel warstub could put up a fight

*Furiously adjusts fedora*

Bad Brett, would you describe yourself as a 'nice guy' by any chance?

[quote=Bad Brett]It's rather simple. They do it just to be able to blow guys off. All the attention makes them feel powerful. And then they whine about how shitty it is to be so popular.[/quote]That's really distressing you think that way.

Oh, it's ON.

Wait, what...? "harass or sexuality assault them?" What the fuck? I said that they whine about how guys won't leave them alone, how the guys may ...try to take with them? Why the hell would anyone put on tons of make up, a shiny bodycon and shake their ass in the middle of the dance floor if they don't want to get attention from the guys? No, you don't have to look like a prom queen to have a glass of wine with your closest friends. It's so stupid and I can't believe that some people actually fall for that bullshit. It's rather simple. They do it just to be able to blow guys off. All the attention makes them feel powerful. And then they whine about how shitty it is to be so popular.

Here's the memo in case you missed it: slutmeansspeakup.org.uk/about

[quote=Bad Brett]It's like those women that dress really slutty and then bitch about how the guys won't leave them alone when they're out partying.[/quote] What the fuck dude? Does someone dressing how they want somehow give men they're not interested in the right to harass or sexuality assault them? I can't believe I just read that here.

[quote=Anti-]Come on people! Grow up! Why the f would you people expect the admins of this site to leak the album to anyone? They have no obligation to do so... And why do you people take it as an insult anyways? Do you also send hate mail to music reporters who write reviews of albums before they are released? I'm just happy that they got the album in advance. They really deserve it... [small]Edited by Anti-[/small][/quote]Amen

I don't expect the admins the to leak the album, especially not if BR sent it to them directly. The only times I really care about the leaks are when they are going on promotional tours before the album is releases, because I enjoy concerts more if I've heard the songs before. It's a pity if people have been assholes and spread the album though. I've gotten the link through PM's several times and have never sent it even to my closest friends. I always thought that was some kind of mutual understanding on TheBRPage. Very well. In overall a nice review, even though I still believe the introductions was a unecessary and smug. It will be nice to actually listen to the album on release date for a change.

[quote=Bad Brett]Also, saying "we can't share it through PM's because people would spread it" is a bit insulting since that worked perfectly well 12-13 years ago.[/quote]In that case you better feel insulted because last year it failed miserably.

Come on people! Grow up! Why the f would you people expect the admins of this site to leak the album to anyone? They have no obligation to do so... And why do you people take it as an insult anyways? Do you also send hate mail to music reporters who write reviews of albums before they are released? I'm just happy that they got the album in advance. They really deserve it... Lol... Slow... those two were quicker... [small]Edited by Anti-[/small]

Whats wrong with people. Thanks for the review. Ps. Vanity sucks.

what is wrong with you people... dont complain....

[quote=Marty]I'm really surprised to see that the "[i]also please don't start asking us for a copy[/i]" part is causing so much hate. That line was added at the very last moment with the simple intention let people know that sending us PMs and emails asking for a copy won't work: we will not share. Perhaps that 'warning' would have been better off all the way down. Anyway, looking at our inboxes, that line didn't really help actually... [/quote]If you're somewhat intelligent, which I will assume that you are, you would have written something like "We got the chance to listen to the album yesterday" or something like that, instead of bragging about that you actually have a watermarked copy. You can't make a statement like that and then complain about getting PM's. It's like those women that dress really slutty and then bitch about how the guys won't leave them alone when they're out partying. Also, saying "we can't share it through PM's because people would spread it" is a bit insulting since that worked perfectly well 12-13 years ago.

what is wrong with you people... dont complain....

One question! I want to know if there are more DABG kinda songs or BGDA ones. If you don't know what I mean, check Fields of Mars for a DABG example and The Hopeless Housewife for a BGDA one.

I'm really surprised to see that the "[i]also please don't start asking us for a copy[/i]" part is causing so much hate. That line was added at the very last moment with the simple intention let people know that sending us PMs and emails asking for a copy won't work: we will not share. Perhaps that 'warning' would have been better off all the way down. Anyway, looking at our inboxes, that line didn't really help actually...

[quote=Groomits]"Those who can't wait have been searching the Internet for a leaked version of the album, still without success... also please don't start asking us for a copy"[/quote]Haha! Smug alert! It's nice with a review, but what the fuck is up with this "Nana-nana-na-naaa we're the best 'cause we got the early copy, you didn't, tough luck!"-attitude? I don't get upset, but it's a bit of a face palm moment.

[quote=nropevolI][quote=Graffinius]Every "review copy" that was sent out was watermarked, and could be easily traced back to the person who leaked the album [/quote]How does that work? Did someone from epitaph record extra audio over the album for 40 minutes: "marty's copy, marty's copy, marty's copy, marty's copy, marty's copy, marty'scopy" [/quote]actually it says "jesse's copy". :)

[quote=Graffinius]Every "review copy" that was sent out was watermarked, and could be easily traced back to the person who leaked the album [/quote]How does that work? Did someone from epitaph record extra audio over the album for 40 minutes: "marty's copy, marty's copy, marty's copy, marty's copy, marty's copy, marty's copy"

Good honest review, Jesse. Well done - and thanks! :)

[quote=Groomits]Ok, let's say you're right. SomeGuy has some good points. Let's say I have the album and decide not to share it. Well, I won't start bragging, telling other fans I have it, writing reviews about it 2 weeks prior to release and above all that, underline the fact that I can't send any copies.[u] I would just shut up and listen to it on my own.[/u] Because to me it's a matter of respect. Maybe that's just me, and that would be fine.... I don't want to be an ass about it, but as a fan, I feel neglected.[/quote]Every "review copy" that was sent out was watermarked, and could be easily traced back to the person who leaked the album. So giving it out to a bunch of fans would be a really, really bad idea. The rest of us will get to hear the album eventually. [small]Edited by Graffinius[/small]

[quote=SOLDSHORT]I would send it to my children and my children's children an my children's children's children[/quote]So I WOULD get an advanced copy. Sweet!

[quote=Banjo]3 apparently. Blame the SQL screens I keep seeing.[/quote]I'll have a look at it when I get home tonight.

3 apparently. Blame the SQL screens I keep seeing.

Two times the reality

Dissent leaked like 3 days before release. Might be a bit of a wait folks.

I just hope it leaks before january 19th ... Because that day I am leaving for 10 days in the woods ... I was kinda hoping to be able to listen to the album while I will be there :D

Dissent leaked like 3 days before release. Might be a bit of a wait folks.

Ok, let's say you're right. SomeGuy has some good points. Let's say I have the album and decide not to share it. Well, I won't start bragging, telling other fans I have it, writing reviews about it 2 weeks prior to release and above all that, underline the fact that I can't send any copies.[u] I would just shut up and listen to it on my own.[/u] Because to me it's a matter of respect. Maybe that's just me, and that would be fine.... I don't want to be an ass about it, but as a fan, I feel neglected.

It's only two weeks. I'm gonna go find a hobby to pass the time! Also looking forward to hearing this, if the borrowing of sounds from their previous good albums over all these years is what all these songs will sound like.

It's quite surprising that it hasn't leaked yet ... I would even say disapointing :(

[quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Jesse]Since reviews of True North are already starting to appear in magazines, who are we to not also put our review out there. So here it goes.[/quote]Where are these reviews I want to read them[/quote]Printed magazines most probably.

[quote=Jesse]Since reviews of True North are already starting to appear in magazines, who are we to not also put our review out there. So here it goes.[/quote]Where are these reviews I want to read them

I would send it to my children and my children's children an my children's children's children

[quote=Robo Pilgrim]The reason this site won't leak anything is because Brett considers this site a public facet of Bad Religion. And the reason people here can't be trusted is Otto.[/quote]Underline the word Otto... aka ChrisDude aka alex101 aka punkfan

Sending the album to all of TheBRPage's active users and assuming they won't spread it beyond that would just be naive. There's no way to prevent them from doing the same and sending it to all of their friends, and then from there on to all of their friend's friends, and so on. Why risk souring relations with the band over an album that will be released on a couple of weeks anyway? [small]Edited by Some Guy[/small]

The reason this site won't leak anything is because Brett considers this site a public facet of Bad Religion. And the reason people here can't be trusted is Otto.

It's all Marty's fault. If he would have just listened to doc this never would have happened. Now biff is in control of the new BR cd and we are all at his mercy.

[QUOTE=Jesse]This is the first ever Bad Religion song that has the word 'bikini' in it.[/QUOTE]In reference to Bikini Atoll nuclear tests, right?

He's not saying you're too dumb to have responsibility, he just doesn't have time to personally vet every person who comes to this site and asks for a copy. Because there are irresponsible people out there.

I think BRPage are being totally fair. It doesn't work. Scene places will pay good money for prerelease stuff no other site has a copy of yet. Sadly a small amount of users let the rest of us down before. It's a review. Take it or leave it. It's. two weeks (AT THE VERY MOST). This is a fansite that has a fantastic relationship with the band (Hell, even the official site didn't have that). It would be such a shame to risk it.

[quote=Groomits][quote=Marty]]Then how to stop it from spreading beyond this "limited" group? It just doesn't work.. as we've clearly seen early last year. People could really get in trouble if it turns out that his/her advance review copy was the source of a leak. It's a bit more complicated than you think.[/quote]Yeah I understand, I assure you. But by saying that, you're saying you don't trust your community, so you decide on your own that it would be better for us if we didn't have it, because we might leak it. I know you're a nice guy and you mean well, but honestly, your excuse makes me feel like you're looking at me as if I'm too dumb to take my own responsabilities. I'm just saying, you souldn't decide for everyone. Let people enjoy the fun, and let stupid people deal with their actions.[/quote]theres no accountablity for stupid peoples actions. just ask otto, hes still alive.

[quote=Marty]]Then how to stop it from spreading beyond this "limited" group? It just doesn't work.. as we've clearly seen early last year. People could really get in trouble if it turns out that his/her advance review copy was the source of a leak. It's a bit more complicated than you think.[/quote]Yeah I understand, I assure you. But by saying that, you're saying you don't trust your community, so you decide on your own that it would be better for us if we didn't have it, because we might leak it. I know you're a nice guy and you mean well, but honestly, your excuse makes me feel like you're looking at me as if I'm too dumb to take my own responsabilities. I'm just saying, you souldn't decide for everyone. Let people enjoy the fun, and let stupid people deal with their actions.

[quote=Marty][quote=Groomits]I just don't get it... If I'd have the album, first thing I'd do is send it to the other forum members here, out of respect..[/quote]Then how to stop it from spreading beyond this "limited" group? It just doesn't work.. as we've clearly seen early last year. People could really get in trouble if it turns out that his/her advance review copy was the source of a leak. It's a bit more complicated than you think.[/quote]No Marty. It's punk rawk. You make it complicated.

[quote=Groomits]I just don't get it... If I'd have the album, first thing I'd do is send it to the other forum members here, out of respect..[/quote]Then how to stop it from spreading beyond this "limited" group? It just doesn't work.. as we've clearly seen early last year. People could really get in trouble if it turns out that his/her advance review copy was the source of a leak. It's a bit more complicated than you think.

Can I have credit for reporting this?

[quote=Marty]Wait. What? How did I get involved in this?[/quote]. Durp

Holy shitballs. Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

Wait. What? How did I get involved in this?

"Those who can't wait have been searching the Internet for a leaked version of the album, still without success... also please don't start asking us for a copy" Another condescending attitude. That's what we needed. I wanted to read your review, but I stopped at that sentence. I just don't get it... If I'd have the album, first thing I'd do is send it to the other forum members here, out of respect. I would certainly not get on my high horse bullshitting about my own review and be [i]sorry[/i] at how I can't share the album with the others. Nah, I'm sorry, I don't like this at all.

Marty had frosted flakes for breakfast

[quote=nropevolI][quote=SOLDSHORT]You cant post your own review as "news"[/quote]track 05 [/quote]Hahaha nropevoll (last two words of) track 09

[quote=SOLDSHORT]You cant post your own review as "news"[/quote]track 05 It's nice to read that Brett sings a song on the album! I like his vocals on the Daredevils EP.

[quote=SOLDSHORT]You cant post your own review as "news"[/quote] I guess technically she can...

You cant post your own review as "news"

this is good cause i didnt "love" the last 3 albums

I WANT TO GO TO THERE