In case you didn't know, last Tuesday Recipe for Hate finally turned 20, and it made Stereogum's The Anniversary feature as Tom Breihan reflected on that period in Bad Religion's life. Thanks to Margo for the heads up!
Despite a few obvious mistakes in some of the facts cited which the hardcore fans will be quick to point out, it makes for a very good read. I think Breihan makes an interesting point when he wonders if it was the right timing to jump to a major label. Similarly, many a time I have indulged myself in some Bad Religion counterfactual history wondering what would have happened if Brett had stayed for the follow-up to Stranger than Fiction; or what if he had come back to the band while them choosing to stay in Atlantic and thus giving Sorrow or Broken the proper single treatment. One can only speculate, of course. As a Bad Religion rabid fan ever trying to come to terms with the fact that the band never got as big as The Offspring or Green Day (in terms of popularity, of course) I will always choose (like?) to think they are one of those never in the right place at the right time bands. Ok, ok... /Rant.
"Bad Religion have existed for 33 years and released 16 albums, and the vast majority of those fit into one strict template: Rocketing muscular guitar grooves, hoarsely declarative Greg Graffin vocals, weirdly folky backing harmonies, syllable-crammed and vaguely political the-world-is-fucked lyrics, surging fists-up choruses. It’s probably the most durable model in punk rock history, and it still sounded pretty great as recently as this year’s True North. But within Bad Religion’s vast discography, albums don’t tend to stand out as big achievements. There are a couple of exceptions, though. Into The Unknown, the band’s 1983 sophomore record, is an absolutely batshit-nuts piece of experimentation, one that finds the band pushing its feral early sound toward synth-prog grandiosity. It’s a fascinating look at a road less taken, and the band almost immediately disowned it completely, breaking up for a couple of years after its release and then following it up with an EP called Back To The Known, thus pulling off one of the very few successful reboot moves in rock history. (Into The Unknown has been out of print since about 10 minutes after its release, but you can still find a shitty-quality rar if you put in enough Google work. You should. Shit is crazy.) And then there’s 1993′s Recipe For Hate. Musically, it’s more or less an orthodox Bad Religion record with a few weird touches. But the circumstances around its release are, in retrospect, pretty fascinating: The band jumped to a major label for this one, and that major label did what it could to sell them as an alt-rock band, in the final moment that a wizened and respected California hardcore band wouldn’t be an easy sell." READ MORE
Trivia: Did you know that for a while an unreleased demo entitled "Hole in the Ship" was considered to become the theme song for the album?
You can learn this and more about the particulars of this classic Bad Religion record in The Answer, where else?
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[quote=Viktor]Robert Christgau had framed Stranger Than Fiction gold plaque. Interesting. I think this is answer material :)[/quote]TRU DAT.
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I feel so old
06/20/2013 at 09:41
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This was so forever ago
06/18/2013 at 20:13
This was so forever ago
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You guys know you can master each song individually in iTunes, right?
06/13/2013 at 02:30
You guys know you can master each song individually in iTunes, right?
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Each to their own. I actually think Recipe For Hate is the album that needed the most remastering. I own all of the originals and also bought all of the remastered versions, they each have their pros and cons and sound "different". The audio quality is a lot more raw and real on the original releases. Whereas, on high-end home theatre set-ups, the remastered ones sound so crisp and clear and the original ones sound flat.
Recipe For Hate however, still sounds a little "tinny" no matter what I play it on. American Jesus happens to be my all time favourite BR song, so I was a lil disappaointed when Recipe For Hate wasn't remastered.
06/12/2013 at 12:03
Each to their own. I actually think Recipe For Hate is the album that needed the most remastering. I own all of the originals and also bought all of the remastered versions, they each have their pros and cons and sound "different". The audio quality is a lot more raw and real on the original releases. Whereas, on high-end home theatre set-ups, the remastered ones sound so crisp and clear and the original ones sound flat.
Recipe For Hate however, still sounds a little "tinny" no matter what I play it on. American Jesus happens to be my all time favourite BR song, so I was a lil disappaointed when Recipe For Hate wasn't remastered. |
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[quote=Warstub][quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Warstub][quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Stevage!]Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly![/quote]No, I think if they're going to remaster it they should do it well.[/quote]I agree, Robo. I've reverted back to the original CD versions because of how crappy the Remasters sound. I'd hate to have the same treatment done to this album. There isn't that much need to remaster [i]Recipe [/i]because there's actually quite a lot of clarity in the recording already - the heavy grungy style distortion allows the bass and drums to come through pretty clearly. If this was remastered, no doubt much compression would be added, and this would only muddy the mix. Sure, it would be louder, but most likely, less clear.[/quote]I don't care about that, I was just making a joke. And I, too, thought it was released in September.[/quote]A joke... a joke? What!?[/quote]To me RFH is Bad Religions masterpiece. It's not very punk in its sound, but i like that. it's the opposite to ATG's everything louder than everything else - sound.This album is an own genre
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[quote=Brett Religion][quote=frod79]I became a fan right around this time 20 yrs ago (post generator/pre rfh release...where's my 20 yr watch or pin? ). Wasnt this released in september of 93 as it is on here and online? I guess the atlantic release was sept but dont see the june date on here
[small]Edited by frod79[/small][/quote]Yeah, I wasn't sure. [url=http://www.badreligion.com/albums/7/Recipe_For_Hate]BR.com[/url] says September 21 while [url=http://www.epitaph.com/artists/album/34/Recipe_for_Hate]Epitaph[/url] says June 4.[/quote]
June 4, 1993 is probably the release date for the Epitaph version.
06/10/2013 at 16:56
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no new remaster + demo track .. 2 3
06/08/2013 at 22:59
no new remaster + demo track .. 2 3
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nerds
06/08/2013 at 15:56
nerds
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[quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Warstub][quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Stevage!]Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly![/quote]No, I think if they're going to remaster it they should do it well.[/quote]I agree, Robo. I've reverted back to the original CD versions because of how crappy the Remasters sound. I'd hate to have the same treatment done to this album. There isn't that much need to remaster [i]Recipe [/i]because there's actually quite a lot of clarity in the recording already - the heavy grungy style distortion allows the bass and drums to come through pretty clearly. If this was remastered, no doubt much compression would be added, and this would only muddy the mix. Sure, it would be louder, but most likely, less clear.[/quote]I don't care about that, I was just making a joke. And I, too, thought it was released in September.[/quote]A joke... a joke? What!?
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[quote=Warstub][quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Stevage!]Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly![/quote]No, I think if they're going to remaster it they should do it well.[/quote]I agree, Robo. I've reverted back to the original CD versions because of how crappy the Remasters sound. I'd hate to have the same treatment done to this album. There isn't that much need to remaster [i]Recipe [/i]because there's actually quite a lot of clarity in the recording already - the heavy grungy style distortion allows the bass and drums to come through pretty clearly. If this was remastered, no doubt much compression would be added, and this would only muddy the mix. Sure, it would be louder, but most likely, less clear.[/quote]I don't care about that, I was just making a joke. And I, too, thought it was released in September.
06/08/2013 at 14:18
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[quote=frod79]I became a fan right around this time 20 yrs ago (post generator/pre rfh release...where's my 20 yr watch or pin? ). Wasnt this released in september of 93 as it is on here and online? I guess the atlantic release was sept but dont see the june date on here
[small]Edited by frod79[/small][/quote]Yeah, I wasn't sure. [url=http://www.badreligion.com/albums/7/Recipe_For_Hate]BR.com[/url] says September 21 while [url=http://www.epitaph.com/artists/album/34/Recipe_for_Hate]Epitaph[/url] says June 4.
06/07/2013 at 20:49
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[quote=SOLDSHORT][quote=SPORK][quote=Warstub][quote=PreDispositionReport]I like the Hole in the ship demo.[/quote]I don't.[/quote]like bad religion[/quote]Wurd[/quote]That's correct quoters - Bad Religion didn't like it either.
06/07/2013 at 20:12
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Warstub
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[quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Stevage!]Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly![/quote]No, I think if they're going to remaster it they should do it well.[/quote]I agree, Robo. I've reverted back to the original CD versions because of how crappy the Remasters sound. I'd hate to have the same treatment done to this album. There isn't that much need to remaster [i]Recipe [/i]because there's actually quite a lot of clarity in the recording already - the heavy grungy style distortion allows the bass and drums to come through pretty clearly. If this was remastered, no doubt much compression would be added, and this would only muddy the mix. Sure, it would be louder, but most likely, less clear.
06/07/2013 at 20:10
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[quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Stevage!]Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly![/quote]No, I think if they're going to remaster it they should do it well.[/quote][quote=BFY][quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Stevage!]Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly![/quote]No, I think if they're going to remaster it they should do it well.[/quote]I think it sounds great as it is on original CD (Official DR value: DR11 http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/) just turn up the volume. The 2004 remasters just sounds like crap if you want to listen to them at high volume, especially No Control. The mastering is killing that record with heavy clipping...[/quote]That's the problem. I have to crank-up the volume pretty high just to get the right volume. According to Jay, 'Recipe For Hate' among the others that are under the Atlantic label, won't be getting the remastered/re-release treatment anytime soon due to the fact that they don't have full rights to the records. Similar to why Black Flag, ALL, and Descendents back catalog haven't been remastered/re-released due to the fact that Greg Ginn doesn't want to give up the rights to the artists.
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[quote=SPORK][quote=Warstub][quote=PreDispositionReport]I like the Hole in the ship demo.[/quote]I don't.[/quote]like bad religion[/quote]Wurd
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[quote=Warstub][quote=PreDispositionReport]I like the Hole in the ship demo.[/quote]I don't.[/quote]like bad religion
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[quote=PreDispositionReport]I like the Hole in the ship demo.[/quote]I don't.
06/07/2013 at 18:00
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[quote=the torso]yeah skyscraper[/quote]BUILD IT UP!
06/07/2013 at 15:30
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yeah skyscraper
06/07/2013 at 15:00
yeah skyscraper
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I like the Hole in the ship demo.
06/06/2013 at 21:33
I like the Hole in the ship demo.
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[quote=SPORK]skyscraper, bitches[/quote]BITCHES
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skyscraper, bitches
06/06/2013 at 18:38
skyscraper, bitches
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[quote=Suelukebr]MAN WITH A MISSION[/quote]we've been having this disagreement for 10 years now, sue!!
boooooo
06/06/2013 at 18:36
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I became a fan right around this time 20 yrs ago (post generator/pre rfh release...where's my 20 yr watch or pin? ). Wasnt this released in september of 93 as it is on here and online? I guess the atlantic release was sept but dont see the june date on here
06/06/2013 at 18:34
I became a fan right around this time 20 yrs ago (post generator/pre rfh release...where's my 20 yr watch or pin? ). Wasnt this released in september of 93 as it is on here and online? I guess the atlantic release was sept but dont see the june date on here
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[quote=Suelukebr]MAN WITH A MISSION[/quote]NOOOOOOOOOOOO
06/06/2013 at 17:24
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MAN WITH A MISSION
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MAN WITH A MISSION
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Robert Christgau had framed Stranger Than Fiction gold plaque. Interesting. I think this is answer material :)
06/06/2013 at 14:22
Robert Christgau had framed Stranger Than Fiction gold plaque. Interesting. I think this is answer material :)
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I listened to it today without even realising that it was the anniversary today. It's Bad Religions best album by far.
06/06/2013 at 13:39
I listened to it today without even realising that it was the anniversary today. It's Bad Religions best album by far.
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Slid and robot make funnies but there's no thanks button in this thread
06/06/2013 at 11:49
Slid and robot make funnies but there's no thanks button in this thread
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[quote=SOLDSHORT]Puppies![/quote]Skinny...
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Puppies!
06/06/2013 at 10:16
Puppies!
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[quote=Robo Pilgrim][quote=Stevage!]Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly![/quote]No, I think if they're going to remaster it they should do it well.[/quote]I think it sounds great as it is on original CD (Official DR value: DR11 http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/) just turn up the volume. The 2004 remasters just sounds like crap if you want to listen to them at high volume, especially No Control. The mastering is killing that record with heavy clipping...
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[quote=Stevage!]Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly![/quote]No, I think if they're going to remaster it they should do it well.
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Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly!
06/06/2013 at 00:44
Fantastic record, but sound quality sounds like shit! This needs to be remastered badly!
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In before SLOD asks someone to read this
06/05/2013 at 23:56
In before SLOD asks someone to read this
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