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Jay joined them when he quit BR in 1983. Jay: "Strangely enough at the time that Into the Unknown came out, another band, coincidentally, put out a very similar album, which was TSOL's 'Beneath The Shadows'. I know that TSOL and BR had absolutely no contact with each other, it wasn't like we sat down in a coffee shop and said, 'Hey, let's do these kind of albums.'"
Graffin was never into TSOL but I the others probably like the band. At the Warped Tour 2000, at the George, WA, stop, the singer from TSOL remarked about his music, "You're probably all saying, 'What the fuck? This shit doesn't sound like Bad Religion!'".